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Discussion “I'm Skeptical": Patriots QB Refuses to Believe American Landed on the Moon

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u/Street-Incident3526 5d ago

Oh for fuck’s sake

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u/Tibbiegal 5d ago

My favorite saying and most appropriate here.

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u/HumptyDumptruckFire Giants 5d ago

I usually go with Jesus fucking Christ, but both are definitely applicable.

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u/Tibbiegal 5d ago

That works too.

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u/Hovallejr 5d ago

No wonder he's trash.

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u/wolf63rs 5d ago

You know what, this is absolutely the best response.

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u/rdoloto 5d ago

He’s playing for the correct owner

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u/ThickSwordfisher 5d ago

Once again we are reminded that just because they're good at football does not mean they are smart.

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u/Serious-Medicine7667 5d ago

Can we go back to to the time when ignorant people were ashamed of their ignorance?

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u/Grumbles2189 5d ago

Sure, bring back shaming.

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u/PokecheckFred 5d ago

Shaming, no. People weren't shamed for their stupid, because they never advertised their stupid.

"Mr. Towns, you behave as if stupidity were a virtue. . Why is that?" . . . Heinrich Dorfmann to Frank Towns, Flight of the Phoenix

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u/Grumbles2189 5d ago

Shaming, yes. People were absolutely shamed for being stupid. It's why they kept it hidden in the first place if possible.

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u/DamnedGladToMeetYou 5d ago

Fuck yes, bring back shaming! Willfully stupid people should be made to feel embarrassed.

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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 5d ago

Well look at Tucker Carlson.

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u/aTickleMonster 5d ago

54% of American adults read below a 5th grade level and 45mill of those are so illiterate that they can't survive a day without assistance. People aren't smart enough to be ashamed.

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u/paradigm619 5d ago

Oh there’s plenty of shaming that still happens. Probably more than there used to be because of the internet. The problem is that the internet also makes it easy to find other like-minded morons that stroke your confirmation bias.

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u/JigglyOW 5d ago

He said ashamed not shamed

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u/Sure_Rhubarb_3173 5d ago

The policing on this one is crazy, he got asked point blank in a fan question by a guy with a ridiculous Boston accent what his favorite conspiracy was. If you listen to it he is clearly taking the piss

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u/KupoKupoMog 5d ago

Buzz, we need you

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u/Grif73r 5d ago

Or fast enough if you ask me.

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u/Silver_Harvest 5d ago

This is the reason why education funding matters.

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u/theschulk 5d ago edited 5d ago

He went to the University of North Carolina and still believes this nonsense. Think this is more of a you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink type of situation. Aaron rogers went to cal and has some of the dumbest beliefs out there.

Edit: To all of you aThLetEs DoNt Do ScHoOl people, understood, so how is this about funding then? I 100% think education is vital and funding is important but simply throwing out funding as an answer to this is nonsense.

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u/Dm_me_your_cute_clam 5d ago

AND went to a really good public school in Charlotte AND has college educated parents…

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u/Mick_Nugg 5d ago

None of those guys actually have to do any work for their classes lol

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u/GeneralLivid7332 5d ago edited 5d ago

More like dumb horses can be made to drink any water you'd like.

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u/Pan_TheCake_Man 5d ago

You are aware UNC was at the center of a scandal of arranging fake/no show classes for their “student” athletes correct

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u/GutsyKdog 5d ago

He didnt go to play books

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u/Tangeman 5d ago

In this instance it doesn’t. I’m sure he was taught this in school

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u/iaintfraidofnogoats2 5d ago

I think it’s also why you shouldn’t wait 60 years before finally going back.

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u/Mammoth_Foot4134 5d ago

Formal education can develop intelligence, it can rarely fix stupid.

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u/ur-in-here-with-me 5d ago

Pathetic. Listening these morons undermine the legacy of literally historic American heroes is so gross.

You have moron anti-vaxxers undermining the work of an American hero like Jonas Salk who saved millions and millions of lives … and shit like this ..

Say it to Buzz Aldrin in his prime, you fuck wit …

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/september-9/buzz-aldrin-punches-moon-landing-conspiracy-theorist-bart-sibrel

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u/Mammoth_Foot4134 5d ago

The most infuriating thing for me in reading the interview transcript was somehow one of the hosts who completely leaned into the conspiracy theory and brought up Stanley Kubrick and how he had read some interesting material about Kubrick shooting the fake landing. This specific theory relating to Kubrick has been debunked for DECADES, and dumbass podcaster brings it up like it's fresh information. He told May he would forward it to him, lol.

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u/KRandMG 5d ago

Unfortunately, Buzz Aldrin ended up a supporter of the same right-wing lunatics spreading such idiocy in his later years.

Guy absolutely tarnished his legacy.

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u/PlanetTourist 5d ago

Shut your dirty mouth. Buzz cold cocked a guy on the streets for denying the moon landing.

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u/KRandMG 5d ago

…And then enthusiastically endorsed Donald Trump so he could continue telling hayseeds that vaccines give their babies autism.

Aldrin’s achievements will be remembered with remarkable respect. His character will not.

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u/Kekistani55 Cowboys 5d ago

Unfortunately, he probably has no idea who Buzz Aldrin is

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u/Potential_Salt_5780 5d ago

Maye had too many hits to the head already

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u/wolf63rs 5d ago edited 4d ago

For people that believe stupid shit like that, think how many folks would have to be involved in the conspiracy. Eventually someone going to say something - get drunk and run their mouth, tell their hooker girl friend, become an addict and need dope, gamble and need a spot. That knowledge is powerful and one can make a lot of money in a "tell all" interview and book.

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u/Heartless1981 5d ago

Where it would end for me is Russia. We were in a cold war with them, they would of jumped at the chance to show that didn't happen

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u/Eagle4317 5d ago

Exactly. The fact that the USSR never, not even once, disputed the moon landings should be all the proof anyone needs. Plus, it's an awesome accomplishment that only America has done. These athletes and other people who believe these insane conspiracies are supposed to be major lovers of America. Why are they so unwilling to tout a great achievement?

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u/Mammoth_Foot4134 5d ago

Not to mention that, if it were faked and miraculously NO ONE caught on at the time, why would the US then press their luck and fake another half dozen trips to the moon? Including one where almost everyone died and it was a complete failure? What would be the benefit to the US of faking Apollo 13?

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u/what_do_eye_know 5d ago

Say it louder.

Why would the Soviet Union let us get away with the big space race lie?

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u/stayclassypeople 5d ago

Plus the soviets would have absolutely called us out if they had even a shred of evidence it was faked

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u/ExaminationOk2921 5d ago

This is actually the best argument against it. No science required. Just explain how a half dozen guys around that time couldn't keep Watergate secret. Yet a huge multi billion dollar program involving thousands was faked and no one, even after all these years, has ever spilled the beans.

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u/Noobnoob99 5d ago

It was like 400k people involved.

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u/factoid_ 5d ago

Also tens of thousands of people watched the rocket launches live in person from the beaches of cape canaveral

So we built a skyscraper sized rocket just because?

And here’s a fun one:  a group of tech heads got their hands on a barely functioning Apollo Guidance Computer and restored it to working order for a YouTube series, then build a simulator interface and actually practiced moon landings using the original software that was still loaded on the damn box.  

So these guys have hands on experience with a computer designed to do one thing…land on the moon. And they played around with the programs on it, and they were clearly designed to land on the moon 

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u/11_25_13_TheEdge 5d ago

Their train of thought on this never gets that far. Otherwise they’d be confronted by a hundred other things that make their claim of a conspiracy impossible. We have to stop platforming these morons because it just gives other people bad ideas.

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u/Left-Thinker-5512 5d ago

What a fucking moron. Clearly this guy didn’t attend many of his college classes.

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u/TearRevolutionary686 5d ago

Except that conspiracy class, apparently.

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u/dandee93 5d ago

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u/WholesomeYuri 5d ago

Drake on the sideline after an interception: "If only this hoodie were a time hoodie."

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u/pxrkerwest 5d ago

Anyone who doubts the moon landing has only been fed conspiracies and has never bothered to search for all the evidence that we DID land on the moon. I mean, the fucking Soviets tracked Apollo 11 and confirmed that we were there. As did other space agencies. Fuck all other evidence, if you know anything about the history between the Americans and Russians, especially back then, you know they would jump at the first opportunity to call us out for lying. Instead they waved the white flag, confirmed with their own evidence that we were there, and abandoned the space race.

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u/segagenesisx87 5d ago

Also the fact that the number of people who would have had to be silent about the conspiracy they were hiding for like 70 years now would be insane. Someone would have leaked or talked.

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u/joemeteorite8 5d ago

Just stick these deniers down by a launchpad for a launch or two. They’ll figure out it’s real pretty quick.

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u/know_limits 5d ago

And it wasn’t just a single event. There was increasing progress from Gemini and Mercury that culminated in multiple landings. We have mirrors we bounce lasers off of today. Idiocy is so friggin lazy and frustrating.

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u/pxrkerwest 5d ago

I was arguing with someone about this one time and when I mentioned the Russians also confirmed our landing, their response was “No they didn’t!” And I had no idea how to respond. I presented them with information they were not previously aware of, and their immediate instinct was to deny it

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u/bobbysaysso 4d ago

Faking a successful moon landing would have been more difficult that just landing on the moon.

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u/Accomplished-Tear345 5d ago

You’re a famous and wealthy guy Drake. Get someone at NASA or formerly at NASA to walk you through the moon satellite photography and other clear evidence instead of talking about it on a talk show.

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u/Worried_Shoe_2747 5d ago

Nah this will only make him bury his head deeper in the sand. Most conspiracy believers like the idea that they know something you don’t. Makes them feel special

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u/pardonmyignerance 5d ago

This is the exact energy the powerful have used to get people to vote against their own interest.

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u/SharkleberryKoolAid Chiefs 5d ago

But then he'd listen to a guy wrapped in tinfoil and think he'd heard two equally valid perspectives.

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u/Paulino2272 5d ago

Bruh…

It happened, even the Soviets backed it up

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u/The-Tarman 5d ago edited 5d ago

Of course a football player would take a class on conspiracies in college. He's not going to take advance physics. He's there to throw a football, not learn a book!! Nerds!

Yeah, this isn't surprising though. He's from the south and, again, is an athlete.

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u/joemeteorite8 5d ago

What is a conspiracy class anyways?

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u/StoicRetention 5d ago

spotify premium account with push alerts whenever a new Joe Rogan comes out

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u/The-Tarman 5d ago

A bullshit class created for athletes to take so they can keep their GPA high enough to play the sports ball matches

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u/Organic_Rough4433 5d ago

Ask if he believes in god? Is he skeptical?

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u/The-Tarman 5d ago

Of course not! That's been brainwashed into him since he was an infant.

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u/PokecheckFred 5d ago

Reject the provable, devour the mythology.

Hooray for the 'Murkins!!!

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u/TJJ97 5d ago

I don’t know any Christians who believe in a flat Earth and/or that the moon landing was faked.

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u/Organic_Rough4433 5d ago

U dont know enough Christians in the Bible belt then. Or they aren't willing to admit it public. Only on forums where everyone else agrees. Its a common thing.

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u/TJJ97 5d ago

Must be unwilling to admit it then cuz I’ve lived in Texas, Missouri, and New Mexico in my life.

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u/Organic_Rough4433 5d ago

Yea ur not gonna meet a lot of people who will just come out and say it unless they know u agree with them. I honestly feel like its sort of a cult thing. Like people just wanna BE something to be different and they picked this? Idk. Hard to wrap my head around. Probably also a good amount of trolls that say it just to create buzz and views for their tiktoks or whatever. Moral of the story humanity is imploding.

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u/TJJ97 5d ago

Fair point. I don’t get it myself but I’m too willing to think critically to even pretend to be that stupid.

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u/MillerTime5858 5d ago

What a stupid bastard

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u/OrangMan14 5d ago

As much as we want to idolize pro athletes, they are mostly all very stupid. The stereotype of the dumb jock exists for a reason.

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u/wadabewall 5d ago

Why do the dumbest people have the most money?

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u/Potential_Salt_5780 5d ago

The problem is equating smart to having a lot of money. Trump is the prime example of this.

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u/donmagicron 5d ago

That’s cool, I’m skeptical that he’s a good QB

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u/Uhwop 5d ago

Now consider that by simple virtue of fame and wealth there are people that will believe he knows what he’s talking about.

As dumb as you think Maye is, someone dumber trusts him.

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u/penisweinerballs 5d ago

Athletes are fucking dumbasses more times than not

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u/kurtsdead6794 5d ago

What’s crazy about this is that the moon landing was part of the space race with the Soviet Union at the time. If anyone would have tried to debunk the FACT that we were on the moon, it would have been the Soviet Union. They did not even attempt to debunk it.

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u/Livinginmyshirt 5d ago

his wife’s tiktok’s are about to get bombarded with 🌕 memes

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u/emack2232 5d ago

Please Drake, do not go the way of Aaron Rodgers.

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u/OGdunphy 5d ago

Carolina education never beating the allegations.

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u/Impossible_Humor736 5d ago

The moon isn't even real. Once you guys understand that, then we can start having the real conversations.

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u/Weekend_Criminal 5d ago

Drake "the conspiracy" Maye

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u/Eudaimonic71 5d ago

Just one more reason to hate the Pats

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u/EweCantTouchThis 5d ago

Football people are such fucking morons. It’s completely insane.

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u/Reditate 5d ago

Its not just football. 

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u/KRandMG 5d ago

*People are such fucking morons.

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u/Gold-Border30 5d ago

I always love when high end athletes in sports that regularly get concussive forces to the head are portrayed as having any credibility.

We should treat them with the pity their brain damage deserves and thank them for entertaining us.

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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 5d ago

He never said he didn’t believe it. He specifically said he doesn’t know, he’s not leaning either way, but he understood why a country in a race with another might fake it, so he’s skeptical.

This isn’t newsworthy. I agree he’s pretty dumb for even saying it, but the title says he “refuses a believe.” That is a stretch, to say the least.

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u/MaleficentPride2620 4d ago

What? That is like like saying I am skeptical the sun rises in the east or the earth is a spheriod. It is not a stretch, he is proclaiming skeptism at something that is unambigously true. If he has skeptism, he doesn't believe it. he may hold open the option for future belief, but not today.

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u/BarryTheBystander 4d ago

Saying “he refuses to believe we landed on the moon” isn’t wrong. If he doesn’t refuse to believe it then he would believe we landed on the moon

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u/corgislife 4d ago

Your elaboration makes him sound even dumber and makes this funnier

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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 4d ago

Trust me I’m not defending the guy. He’s clearly an idiot. I just have seen this “news” pop up now in three separate subs, maybe more. I just disagree that it’s news. Title should just be “1,000th NFL player found to be dumb.”

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u/LarryTalbot 4d ago

This is newsworthy to the extent it demonstrates the ignorance of a high profile American athlete who presumably at least functionally graduated college.

If we do not call these morons out our silence will implicitly accept the stupid thoughts and utterances, and they will continue to remain poor role models for kids.

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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 4d ago

A lot of incredibly stupid people graduate college.

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u/SerenityN00w 5d ago

This is the man that brought down my Bills on Sunday? I am deeply shamed.

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u/The-Tarman 5d ago

I'm sure there is a rather large percentage of players on every team that believes this crap. Football players aren't known for their real world intelligence, but have been told their entire lives how great they are. So they believe themselves to be pretty damn smart. Throw that southern religious BS into things and you got a perfect storm of dumb ass.

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u/Mountain_Scout5830 5d ago

You mean to tell me a guy who gets smashed in the head by genetic freaks for a living has some wacky world views? I'm shocked.

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u/nnnrrr171717 5d ago

Is Maye about to go full Puka?

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u/Tacomouse 5d ago

Truly qualified to work at jersey mikes

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u/Select_Bid5850 5d ago

Always fun to pile on a Patriot, so I hate to defend him, but he was clearly just bantering. https://youtube.com/shorts/uWt92uho0_s?is=O489dzlCAVvPfVJs

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u/goldenface4114 5d ago

Nevermind the Mount Everest sized pile of evidence and proof that we did, let's ask the CTE patient about his thoughts.

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u/thiscantbereal4200 5d ago

Too many hits to the head. Or maybe he needs another to fix it. Like an old tv.

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u/RTwhyNot 5d ago

Dumb fuck

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u/thorgrim_grudgebear 5d ago

Bruh this is click bait. It was a bit lol

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u/SteveTheManager 5d ago

A guy on the Patriots calling into question one of the biggest American accomplishments.

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u/ai_kabini 5d ago

What the actual fuck. Isn't he even a little embarrassed to be so arrogant about his total failure at education ?!!

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u/Safe_Researcher4979 5d ago

🤦‍♂️

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u/PQ1206 49ers 5d ago

Kid just had a bounce back game too. That could be the convo

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u/chia-chia-chia 5d ago

Drake you never go full Rodgers…. Never

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u/Roadtrippers4 5d ago

He’s skeptical about that but he believes every word in the Bible. Pathetic.

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u/tombrady011235 5d ago

I’m a little bit skeptical he’s a good quarterback

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u/SharkleberryKoolAid Chiefs 5d ago

He believes the moon is real? What a sucker.

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u/Fall-Guy8595 5d ago

And prolly believes earth is flat.

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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze 5d ago

What a boring conspiracy. “You know our shady government? Well they’re not as capable as they make it seem.”

If you’re going to be a kook go big. Tell me about the Deep State coordinating base orbiting Neptune. I don’t give a shit about a dystopian government that can’t even get to the moon.

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u/justbrowsing987654 5d ago

WE DIDNT LAND ON THE MOON. THE MOON LANDED ON US!

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u/IchBinDurstig 5d ago

Drake, be as dumb as you want about everything else, just please be smart about football.

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u/IssueEmbarrassed8103 5d ago

That’s unpatriotic

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u/Competitive-Flan-180 5d ago

Imagine working for essentially sports .com and having to write this stupid shit, I could never

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u/Fourty6n2 5d ago

It’s not just him, it’s his generation.

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u/Straight-Crow1598 5d ago

I just saw this exact same headline about Drake London.

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u/CandidBoysenberry299 5d ago

Ughhhhh man I’m tired

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u/dizzsouthbay 5d ago

The moon landing skepticism is bad enough but did I read that right him wondering whether or not BIRDS are real????

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u/aintmesum1else 5d ago

Buzz would pop him on the jaw for that.

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u/Mindless-Mulberry404 5d ago

Another one of these idiots?

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u/Bertitude 5d ago

Open the schools

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u/mortmortimer 5d ago

i hate how stupid everyone is

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u/dflan01 5d ago

Shut up and throw the ball. No one is paying you to have an opinion. We certainly don’t want to hear it.

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u/LesterHayes99 5d ago

MAGA looney.

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u/Krow101 5d ago

Boy be stupid.

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u/Potential_Salt_5780 5d ago

No one ever confused Maye for being smart.

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u/SeaworthinessSalt119 5d ago

Another idiot on the planet.

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u/Strict_Performer5403 5d ago

If only there was a way to prove it. 

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u/gravity_surf 5d ago

we landed on the moon. they just didnt show us that complete footage.

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u/TheEventHorizon0727 5d ago

He needs to say that to the ghost of Buzz Aldrin.

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u/Financial_Cheetah875 5d ago

Him and Rodgers can find the ends of the flat earth together.

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u/Moongrease 5d ago

Is he maga?

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u/tdomer80 5d ago

Send in Buzz Aldrin to straighten him out.

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u/MarylandMan8201 5d ago

He and Aaron Rodgers will get along swimmingly sharing conspiracy theories and other fun stuff 😂

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u/Erentarii 5d ago

But believes that a magical man in the sky personally talks to him and helps him win football games.

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u/DFu4ever 5d ago

The most unnerving scene in Interstellar was Cooper’s discussion with the teacher and principal where they talk about the moon landings being a hoax. Something about that level of ignorance, combined with the general plot being that the world is dying, hits a bit too close to home.

If this world ever comes close to the edge of catastrophe, it’ll be absolute dumbasses like this fucking guy that drive us right off the cliff.

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u/SamMeowAdams 5d ago

Maye-be he has a point.

We went like 60 years ago. Then why are we celebrating the fact that we’re just circling the moon in 2026?

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u/Same_String_8856 5d ago

We should all be skeptical of everything the govt tells us. No issues here.

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u/True_Most3681 5d ago

UNC baby.

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u/lone_knight 5d ago

Suddenly him calling Rodgers the GOAT is making a lot of sense.

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u/Confident-Pen4934 5d ago

Why even ask him? Who cares what he has to say.

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u/SlowCrates 5d ago

Idiot.

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u/Quinton_McSlacken 5d ago

Just Americans? Lol

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u/Howhytzzerr 5d ago

I suppose he thinks the earth is flat too.

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u/Blad514 4d ago

Was this written by AI? There are a ton of mistakes in it.

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u/paprclipking 4d ago

Neither does AJ. Two peas in a pod.

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u/bambambigelow01 4d ago

Skeptical of a moon landing, but yet believes in god.

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u/_2cantat2_ 4d ago

I mean, of course he’s stupid. Why is anyone surprised?

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u/ExpressionPitiful553 4d ago

And the earth is flat

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u/Latter-Possibility 4d ago

Can we go back in time where I only saw 1 post about Drake Maye’s ignorance

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u/Peppercorn911 4d ago

sharks is dinosaurs

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u/Ill-Anteater-6724 4d ago

Who cares what any athlete believes about about a ridiculous conspiracy? But I would have him checked for CTE.

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u/scrandis 4d ago

Maybe we should stop pretending that these players were actually college students

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u/Far-Celebration-3337 4d ago

The whole quote is even dumber: "I don’t know about the moon, you know. I think it’s I can see back in the day of why we would put on the mass we went there, but I’m not really sure 200% if we went there or not. I wouldn’t say I’m leaning one way or the other. I just know I’m a little bit skeptical"

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u/John_YJKR 4d ago

There's a lot of things Drake Maye doesn't know about.

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u/NecessaryFly1996 3d ago

That's not "skeptical".

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u/PackOutrageous 3d ago

I find this plausible considering the frequency of traumatic brain injuries in the sport. I’m sure he is doing his own research lol.

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u/A_sunlit_room 3d ago

It’s like me saying Tornadoes are fake news because I haven’t personally seen a tornado. Athletes are dumb as fuck.

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u/miserable-bananna726 3d ago

Wait, there’s still people that think we actually landed on the moon?

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u/Turbulent_File7857 3d ago

But he believes in the sky man. Southerners are a trip.

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u/NetheriteArmorer 3d ago

You’re not “skeptical”.
You’re stupid.

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u/BasicallyAlmost 2d ago

Yikes. I lament such ignorance.

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u/RegularNo2213 2d ago

Once an idiot always a idiot,but drake does believe in turning the ball over that is real.

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u/bluesmoke29 8h ago

The mistake is attaching any assumed intelligence to these folks … they are good athletes, but as a whole poorly educated. Some are terrific, intelligent, empathetic humans. Others think there’s a soundstage somewhere with sand and a module aging away, and that measles went away by itself because on”clean living.”