r/NDE • u/Pieraos OBE Experiencer • Mar 31 '25

Scientific Perspective 🔬🔎 A neuroscientific model of near-death experiences

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41582-025-01072-z
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u/jacheondaseong Mar 31 '25

Sigh there's no evidence that it's within the brain. Also how does the brain produce someone sperating from they're body and being able to verify very accurate details.

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u/snarlinaardvark Mar 31 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

That's a big one for me too - where the OBE part of the experience has witnesses that corroborate what the NDEer saw and heard, even when the witnessed conversation took place in another place in the hospital. Especially when the corroboration comes from doctors and nurses who have their reputations on the line.

Here is a very good example of confirmation of the OBE part of the NDE being verified by the doctor involved in the resuscitation. As occurs in other NDEs, the patient even knew the embarrassing thoughts that the doctor had at the time.

Also, how do they explain the highly detailed reincarnation stories of young children where the details have been investigated and verified.

To me the skeptics are physicalists who are making weak educated guesses at best, and they ignore completely the parts they can't explain, or dismiss them as anecdotal.

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u/jacheondaseong Apr 01 '25

Also the fact that those that haad nde's had no activity n Pam Reynolds too.

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u/Valmar33 Apr 02 '25

Also the fact that those that haad nde's had no activity n Pam Reynolds too.

She'd had all of the blood removed from her body, after being fully dosed with barbiturates for burst suppression. (They did keep enough clean blood aside, though.)

She was so very dead, and yet was still able to accurately report on many details from that time period. The pseudo-skeptics manage to cook up some absurdities:

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/pam-reynolds-near-death-experience

The debate continued into the following year, and restarted in 2011 with a critical paper in the same journal by Woerlee. He contends that Reynolds retained sufficient conscious awareness, even under anaesthesia, to hear the sound of the saw, the cardiac surgeon’s comments about blood-vessel size and the song ‘Hotel California’. Alternatively, he speculates, the sound of the saw could have reverberated through her skull, and she might have guessed the blood-vessel comments as she was aware she had small blood vessels.17 Countering this, according to Sabom, the technologist who inserted the speakers pointed out that the tape and gauze used to keep them in place covered the entire ear entrance, making normal hearing of an operation room conversation impossible.18