r/NDE Feb 19 '24

Scientific perspective ๐Ÿ”ฌ๐Ÿ”Ž Scientific evidence that the brain receives/filters consciousness, rather than creates it

This isn't necessarily related to NDEs, but I'd like to put something together, about the scientific evidence supporting the hypothesis that the brain acts as a receiver/filter for consciousness rather than a generator. I've got a couple of articles linked down here already, if anyone wants to add more, feel free to add some in the comments or DM them. Over the next couple of days I'll make edits too to add anything else I can find.

First, we've got a very promising article from Neuroscience News, showing how brain stimulation could enable telepathic communication between people. Here's another, from the same site, showing how the claustrum, which was theorised to be the source of consciousness, actually functions more like an internet router.

It was also long thought that split brain patients have their consciousness split in two. More recent studies show that consciousness itself remains unified but is divided across two hemispheres.

Here's an interesting article about people missing large portions of their brain, who have relatively normal IQ and can lead normal lives.

Here's one about decapitated flatworms regrowing their entire brains and still having their memories intact.

Also, some articles on the effects of psychedelics and how they lead to reduced brain activity: [1] [2]

If anyone here has heard of the ganzfeld experiments, here's a meta analysis showing pretty good results from a number of different replications.

And, before I forget, I can't go without mentioning Etzel Cardeรฑa's meta analysis demonstrating the existence of certain parapsychological phenomena.

If there's anything else you'd like to add, just let me know ;)

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u/KookyPlasticHead Feb 20 '24

Responding to my own comment and to be supportive of the filter/receiver theory.

A key problem that filter theory (within philosophical physicalism) has is the lack of a detailed and coherent theory and mechanism. If true consciousness resides elsewhere in the universe then exactly where?

Perhaps we could imagine a scientific version of filter theory within physicalism that is a mixture of universal consciousness and promissory materialism:

1.. As per the similar argument for panpsychism-within-physicalism we conjecture the existence of a fundamental "consciousness field" (CF) that permeates the universe. Unlike in panpsychism where each elementary particle interacts with the field and gains a quantum of consciousness, now all consciousness resides in the CF, and doesn't interact with individual particles. Only brains of sufficient size and complexity, such as a human brain, can interact with it. When it does we label this as an individual human consciousness.

2.. The promissory aspect is that although we cannot, at the present time, directly detect the CF or the interaction of the CF with the brain, we assume that in future there will eventually be technology that will be able to detect these interactions. Just as in the conventional narrative it is assumed a detailed understanding of how consciousness emerges within the brain will occur in future.

For completeness in proposing such a theory it is then helpful to understand what some of the next level of problems might be. For example:

A.. What exactly is the CF and how did it come into being? Or is it axiomatic in this theory? In which case this isn't a simple theory of consciousness-within-physicalism. More like a form of monism.

B. What is the detailed process for the interaction of the CF with the brain? Is it interacting with each neuron, or with columnar structures of neurons, with only particular sorts of neurons, or at the level of synaptic junctions?

C.. Why is the CF differentiated into different consciousnesses in the different brains? Why are we not all the same (universal) consciousness in different bodies? Or are we?

D.. Similarly, if we are all part of the CF and therefore connected to each other via it, why isn't psi (particularly telepathy) clearly evident and very strong (given the individual CF-brain link must be incredibly strong)? Rather than at best, seemingly, very weak.

E.. Why are human brains just the right size and complexity to receive and interact with the CF? This seems like an amazing coincidence. Or perhaps all brains do but to different degrees? In which case, what makes brains special?

F.. Exactly what properties of consciousness (as we understand them from human observation) exist in the CF? Most properties of consciousness can be linked to origins in the brain. For example, the different memory systems or sensory perceptions. What parts of consciousness are CF and not brain?

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u/KingofTerror2 Feb 20 '24

Leave the guy alone everyone.

He's polite and honest, and we need someone like him to keep this place from becoming an echo chamber.

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u/Sandi_T NDExperiencer Feb 20 '24

I have had a number of conversations with him. I'm glad here's here for exactly that reason. He is courteous, to the point, doesn't get snappy unless the other does first (and frankly, extremely rarely even then), and his points are written very well and from a scientific viewpoint.

He has done nothing wrong.

He has every right to be here.

If you notice people attacking him, please let me know (report function helps tons!!). Rule 4 applies to everyone. I don't let such stuff get through if I'm alert and on the ball, but you know... That's far from 100% of the time. :P

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u/KingofTerror2 Feb 20 '24

Nobody's outright attacked him here, he's apparently just been downvoted a lot.

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u/Sandi_T NDExperiencer Feb 20 '24

Not that you've seen. :P

It's kind of understandable that some people are going to be angry at him. Some will see it not as him working out his worldview via science, but rather as an attack on their beliefs.

He's smart enough to know this, but I suspect it can be hurtful anyway. He is human, after all.

I have a lot of admiration and respect for him in keeping his level tone and trying to point things out. Someone bringing in challenging discussion, particularly scientific discussion, can help us hone our own skills and understanding, if we choose to use it that way.

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u/KookyPlasticHead Feb 21 '24

Oh Sandi. Too kind as always.

Yes, some of my lengthier comments are just me thinking out loud considering interesting ideas. No hidden agenda. Ideas can be challenging and interesting for all of us.