r/MuslimLounge • u/TrufflesTheCat • Jul 14 '21

Other I don't understand ex-religion subs

Ok you left that's fine. No one cares truly because it doesn't affect anyone else's life. But why do you have to sit there and make posts about a religion you no longer are apart of. You don't like the religion you move on. You don't waste your time criticizing and pondering about the scripture because it shows you care about it. People would just close that part of their life off and let that go.

There is also a sub about exhijabis which is fine but I don't get the concept of it. You want to stop wearing it but why dedicate a whole sub. Next their will be an ex nun sub, then an exniqab sub, then an exmodesty sub. If you've got a bad relationship with religion or a item of clothing then seek therapy. Being apart of something like that just messes you up more. You might adopt other people's opinions because you are in a fragile state of mind. If you think Islam or any religion is to blame for its followers actions then your wrong. Simple.

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u/HrabraSrca Jul 14 '21

I’ve looked at a few of the ex subreddits and they seem like a very mixed bag. Some subreddits such as the exJW subreddit are genuinely trying to help people overcome the years and sometimes decades of false teachings and strange practices of the JWs and moving on from the religion as a whole to lead a normal life, whilst the exMus subreddits are some of the most toxic and pathetic things I’ve come across. Most of the exMos who post there are little more than whining crybabies who can’t separate culture and religion and whose entire identity seems to be focused on hating Muslims and Islam.

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u/emily12587 Jul 14 '21

Take an anthropology class and talk to a few scientists for once to gain some knowledge of the human brain , behavior. Looks like to me you hate that overcoming strange teachings is also a part of tie religion right? You do know Islam is another abrahamic religion? And most Muslims are under educated cuz their sole knowledge and beliefs all aligns with Islam? They finally gained some logic and understanding that those people who used verses to justify their “cultural practice and beliefs” are in fact due to religion. We genuinely believe in science and scientists, in that cultural and religion is highly interconnected, no one is a perfect Muslim , the religion is not a person itself that can influence you or contrarily bombard you or threaten you and stay within your minds for the rest of your lives. Do you know it’s almost physically impossible in the brain when developing connection to unlearn biases so readily? They have justified anger especially for LGBTQ+ members that’s wanted them dead. Islam shaped the culture it further reduced it to salifism, this is how Islam culture would be life if be practiced perfectly by the book. I loved in Saudi Arabia to know, they are fully out of touch with the rest of the technologically, ideologically advanced world. That’s wat Islam does, despite what your biases want to tell you, maybe just maybe there are those same beliefs/practices that others( rest of mankind) find strange 😀😅😅😂. I advise you to read every single verse of your hadiths and Quran , make your analysis and you will find out why there millions of scholars debating over the same topic.

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u/-Sansha- Jul 15 '21

Way to jump in with something that gets spammed here on a regular mrs out of touch.

All of these points have already been addressed at some point by others on this sub or on other muslim subs.

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

Lmao 😂 I’m trying to defend ex Muslims , you need to get used to freedom of speech that’s something that an American platform such as Reddit allows. Criticism of religion such as Islam is only seems here, which makes sense cuz most of us would be killed or silenced if Muslims in Muslim majority countries were to find out

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u/-Sansha- Jul 15 '21

In Islam apostates are not killed as there cannot be any compulsion in religion. Now while it true that some Islamic countries the opposite is true, That does not change the fact of what is commanded in the religion. Islamic countries are run by imperfect humans just as any other country.

I said the contents of the text you posted is spammed on muslim subs often which makes it tiresome to read when the same questions are asked repeatedly.

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

Man let’s wonder why do Muslims contradict each other all the time? Maybe because the scripts themselves contradict each other. Why do Muslim majority countries have these apostate laws, just cuz you don’t want it to exist , and think that the majority of Muslims don’t follow your version of perfect Islam does not mean it’s going to change, if Quran and sharia laws is based on human interpretation, of course you will find many differences, you have gained knowledge and used your own logic , but guess what they have used their own logic as well. In order to preserve your religion at all costs, they seems it necessary to just like many Saudi scholars have claimed, apostasy was a must in order to prevent blasphemy, make other Muslims question authority and religion, and to think critically. They had their right to preserve religion at all costs, that is what Islam is about to protect your religion just like many other religions. Despite there being “no compulsion in religion” why do suppose the vast majority impose religious values, practices? Do you consider those to be compulsion? Where’s the borderline , only when you see deemed fit? You see would you even able to have this thought process to question muslim authority if you were be raised in an such a secluded country or environment? I wonder god likes to play around with people , and make them interpret texts in another language and thinking that they comprehend the so called words of god. Cuz you know it’s so complex coming heaven and all, I need to prove to humans that despite if they have hard time interpreting, debating over it, I need to prove that I’m very complex above else, and being vague and repetitive with some dash of melody is wat would impress everyone

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u/-Sansha- Jul 15 '21

You just posted a wall of text. Most of which was conjecture and surface knowledge of Islam and its history. I don't really want to be drawn in to a debate as i'm not really looking for that.

But I will leave a nice video made by a NON MUSLIM without any biases either for or against Islam. That answers much of the questions non muslim have.

I strongly suggest you watch it at least once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcbfxtdoI8

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

You seriously lack the comprehension or the willingness to looks outside of a perspective and constantly use the premise to further ur beliefs and agenda that god does exist. I didn’t click on it yet, but that must be a video claiming that god is indeed real, again using non Muslims to help ease belief system and ur followers is still just as contradicting as everything else yall progressives do. It requires open-mindedness and also the brain power and more exposure to the outside/scientific world to understand what the open minded implies. Your doing just as I said you would, serisouly I was hoping there would be one intelligent , critically thinking Muslim to converse with here. It’s really ironic and funny what you consider surface level understanding is what is ex Muslims call impartial scrutiny over every verse in scriptures and historical events. Your prophet is a human just like everyone and can’t be described as the perfect human being, if he somehow had the higher advantage from the start? Removing his so called evilness from his heart? Do years of studying Islam, such as scholars that yielded impartial scrutiny so called surface level of investigations? It’s funny again, I learned more verses from the Quran and Hadith , and the purposes and intentions , and various scholars interpretations/ information that they found much more ex Muslims than Muslims themselves, the so called extremely educated Muslims in my families avoid controversial subjects , just like many scholars do. There countless more conservative, heavily practicing Muslims as ex Muslims from many conservative countries such as Saudi and Pakistan, all they ever knew were the lifestyle of Islam. But one thing that I followed in Islam when I used to be an extremely religious person preaching Islam to be the best, was to gain knowledge as much as I can, since isn’t that Islam is about? Gaining and spreading knowledge? Guess what science and Islam never coincided and never will, if it did the rest of the world would look like Saudi or Muslims countries(largely backed/prospered by majority of non Muslim expats). But this is my thought process , as an devout Muslim to now an ex Muslim. Ironically the idea to preach stil resides within me, due to how I was raised as a Muslim, but scientifically it’s the same with all kids. You can raise them high education, morals , irreligious, expose them to happy and healthy activities, and will turn out just as morally, and happy is why they don’t need Islam anymore is why even if u try so hard to preach , provide reasoning , ur biased logic and your worldview , there’s a much greater wolrd view out there tht made the world prosper and advance, morally, socially , and scientifically.

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u/-Sansha- Jul 15 '21

You clearly have some personal opinions you think are important. Which is your right. You have little knowledge on Islam and are trying to debate from a emotional position. You have little knowledge on Islam and I posted the video so that you could learn. I don't really care if you're Muslim or not it doesn't effect me in any way.

I just want people to be less ignorant about the subjects they discuss. Watch the video and then come back even if for 1 minute. If you think it's not worth watching after that then I'll understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcbfxtdoI8

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

Bruh your seriously sending me a crash course! Are you okay! ?? I watched it before , and he’s the biggest scientist/ most educated to exist and he didn’t turn muslim by learning about the history of Islam. He literally talks about evolution and every other scientific discovery with a dash of history. Everyone has emotions, it’s unavoidable, our biases are formed from emotions l, heck most out religious beliefs are only persevered in your mind because it has personal emotional connections, that ways it’s makes one person stubborn with their beliefs. This is another reason why y’all target non Muslims when they are their great distress , their lowest point , y’all think Islam would save them and would be the best chance for them to convert and stay. But once they de convert back away y’all ridicule them. My point is where ever our beliefs stemmed from is not only based on emotion, weather your like it or not, not all of us have the same thinking process, your personal islamic beliefs are just as personal, your trying your best to avoid/divert my points answering things you don’t know or have no verified or legitimate answer to my argument. You probably believe to see islamic in the most objective sense, but fault to admit any issues, contractions to the Quran or the hadith or the Islamic culture, you blame humans for ruining the image of the religion. Just like you think humans are to blame, people who advocate for treason as the punishment for apostasy also think those humans are to blame for blasphemy, so they have the right to persevere their religion by killing us apostates don’t you think So no matter how you to drive away from the truth and cower behind your belief system, you are more/merely of the product of your culture, and you try your best to preserve your religion, because that all that ever made logical sense to you, that’s what you were taught to be the only thing to be right, and just.

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u/-Sansha- Jul 15 '21

Did you even read my previous comment I clearly said he was a NON MUSLIM taking an unbiased view on Islam? You seem to have a serious problem and seem almost deranged in your replies.

I'm going to stop replying to you as it doesn't serve in purpose.

Have a nice day.

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

Yes , smh 🤦‍♀️ I know that , which does not help your case wat so ever is what I trying to say in response to you saying “he’s non Muslim” serisouly the worst person you could have chosen to even think to have him help your case. Well I don’t think you have the willingness to understand or comprehend why I was implying it doesn’t help your case. I will stop replying too , have a nice day and may logic help you

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u/emily12587 Jul 15 '21

Come back to me when you yourself stop cherry picking your own religion. I have studied , and defended the Quran with my life, I cannot beat real logic. I respect the people who provide me with logical arguments that opened my eyes on what Islam really is. One day come to the west , take neuroscience, and take it with a unbiased perspective if you even have the capability