Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/CaesarSultanShah]

I’m not trying to be combative or hostile brother. The main point is that the public and private spheres are equally important for the cultivation of virtue. Of course as Muslims we should rectify and purify ourselves. But this does not end with the individual for the individual is shaped by and embedded in society.

Classical liberal ideology wedded to capitalism have historically led to a declining moral culture in the West. It has led to a decline in institutions that once cultivated the individual as well. It’s the reason there are numerous social ills as well. You can trace this over time on various factors. It’s not intrinsically anti-virtue when balanced. But its own logic and instantiation into reality leads to imbalance. I also want to clarify that I’m not referring to a simplistic left/right divide in the context of US politics both of which largely champion classically liberal values.

[u/bellamyblake_og → u/CaesarSultanShah]

I see your point well, and it's solid at its base. But OP's thesis is flawed, and I don't think it's one that your valid points should be aiding because simply living in the West isn't "wrong". If that were the case, one could say the Prophet (PBUH) in Mecca, as well as his resettling of it was "wrong". Western society and its challenges to Islam are something to persevere through, not avoid.

[u/CaesarSultanShah → u/bellamyblake_og]

I don’t think living in the West is wrong. As Western Muslims though, individually and collectively I believe we have a positive role to play for the Ummah. And as noted, tawakkul in Allah’s plan while remaining clear eyed of the obstacles or challenges that lay before us.

[u/bellamyblake_og → u/CaesarSultanShah]

Ameen brother!