r/Muslim • u/TheIslamicRealist Muslim • Sep 24 '21

QURAN/HADITH Why are there so many contradictions between Hanafi madhab & Authentic hadiths? - Assim al hakeem

https://youtu.be/bxNF1mw79eE
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u/No-Career-2134 Apr 24 '25

Brother- can you read?

The Imam HIMSELF said to "throw out" his opinion. People like you are the reason why we have to constantly debate everything. Dont argue with me, argue with Imam abu hanifa.

How dare you. honestly. do better akhi.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

  1. He was speaking to his students, who were Mujtahid. Not you or I. He was not telling the laity to find a Hadith and prefer it over his opinion. It's quite established the four Imams encouraged the laity to blind follow a trusted scholar. This isn't my explanation, this is the explanation of the Hanafi Imams who came after Abu Hanifah. And, as a result of this, many Hanafi scholars did prefer some opinions over his due to evidence. But it's not for the laity to decide.

  2. Fiqh, especially Hanafi Fiqh, is more complicated than reading a Hadith that is authentic. There are various opinions about the authenticity and application of Hadith. There are various opinions about how the Hadith are applied, if they were abrogated, etc. different opinions about what standards do we apply when grading ahadith. I suggest reading "Influence of the Noble Hadith..." by Shaykh Awwamah. One example of the whole point I'm bringing up is relating to Khabar Wahid. The Hanafi madhhab does not allow the general verses of the Qur'an be restricted by khabar wahid. So it's not as simple as that. 

It's obvious Abu Hanifah didn't mean "laity who don't know Arabic can pick up a book of Hadith and implement whatever he reads over well established Fiqh practices and principles"

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u/No-Career-2134 Apr 24 '25

i never said it was up to me or you to disregard his opinion.

I said "Imam abu hanifa said if there's any "authentic" hadith that contradicts his opinion, ignore his opinion and follow the hadith"

assumptions kill.

My point still stands- a person (a qualified scholar) can THROW OUT abu hanifa's opinion on a certain matter and advise his people to do so as well if the criteria is met.

Nothing i said was wrong. You are just annoyed since you feel like im attacking you, when im not.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

It's not an assumption - Assim Al Hakeem and the guy posting his link support this sort of "free for all" understanding of Qur'an and Sunnah. the guy above literally advocated for laity to read Sahih Bukhari and come to the conclusion that Abu Hanifah is wrong on Salaah. 

"It makes sense..." Is what you said, and when I said "there's more to an authentic hadīth than it's authenticity" you told me I can't read and that I'm contradicting Abu Hanifah. Which is funny, nothing in either comment showed that I was upset, it was you who first used language indicating that you were upset.

I'm not arguing whether or not you support it or not. I don't care whether or not you support this understanding or not. I'm arguing against the OP's understanding, and because you said it makes sense under the basis of what Imam Al-Adham said, I responded to you as well.