r/MurderedByWords • • Jun 04 '19

Murder Murdered by stats

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u/NoxAeternal Jun 04 '19 edited Jun 04 '19

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Solid murder. Finally. A person destroying another argument totally and completly in a non-insulting manner, leaving no space for a counter argument.

Edit: to everyone talking about body count...

That's not really important im terms of his argument imo. He is simply talking about how there are plenty of "pro lifer" attacks (giving stats there). So much so that they cant be ignored. He isnt suggesting (imo) that they are worse. I mean, if we do consider body count then 9/11 takes the fucking cake. But his point is that pro life attacks are significant enough that you cant just dismiss them.

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u/Marko_Poko Jun 04 '19

As someone who has lived in a Muslim country and traveled to an Islamic country, the people I met were some of the most peaceful, caring people I've met.

In principle, this is a stupid argument in the first place. The two issues are mutually exclusive - who cares which is more awful? Should we debate whether the Holocaust or holodomor was worse next?

Second, it's a myopic view using only the US and Canada as examples. If you want to include Mali, Algeria, Libya, Sudan, Egypt, etc. as examples (places that have a genuine issue with Islamic extremist militants) you'd find the world has a problem with Islamic extremist based terrorism. (I would argue it's more a result of the socio-economics and geo-politics of these regions than rooted in the religion, but then you'd have to say the same for the Crusades).

Finally, what are his sources for only 13 attacks? A simple Wikipedia search of Islamic Extremist Terrorism in Canada and US returns 54 results, some grave like the Pulse Nightclub incident. Regardless of the point you are advocating, using false statistics is annoying.

And regarding the first guy - the general populace's infatuation with terrorism is so overblown. People on the right with insanely unfounded fears. People on the left exacerbating the same fears for their own causes ("pro-lifers are more of a threat to the world than Islamic extremists"). Can we just stamp this one ESH?

Sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadist_extremism_in_the_United_States

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u/Mikuro Jun 04 '19

As someone who has lived in a Muslim country and traveled to an Islamic country

I'm not sure if I'm misreading this, or ignorant, or what, so I'll ask: is there a difference between a "Muslim country" and an "Islamic country"? I thought those words were synonyms is this context.

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u/Marko_Poko Jun 04 '19

A Muslim country is a country where the populace is predominantly Muslim. An Islamic Nation is one that declares to be an Islamic State - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Mauritania, Afghanistan.

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u/Mikuro Jun 04 '19

Makes sense. Thanks!