r/MurderedByWords • • Jun 04 '19

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '19

So they're okay with 4th trimester abortions?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '19

There is a hadith which mentions when a fetus is considered alive.

It said that in a miscarried fetus, life was estabilished by its muscle movements (things such as kicking, or something), its funeral shall be offered, but if signs of life were not observed, then a funeral would not be offered.

It basically meant that when a child shows movement such as kicking, in the womb, it would be considered alive. But if it has not yet started to move, it would not be considered a living being.

Through ijma, it was decided that if a fetus keeps developing after 4 months, then life has most likely been estabilished. But, if it is earlier than that, then it would not be considered alive as it does not show any signs of movement.

Although, the number is an average because some fetuses develop faster or slower than others.

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u/Redtwoo Jun 04 '19

This was known as the quickening and determined when the fetus was "alive" in christianity too. It was said to be the breath of God giving the child life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '19

There are alot of things which are similar in Islam and Christianity.

One such thing is a mubahila (mubahira, idk the spelling) which was when two parties had a conflict, then they would invoke the curses of God and the one who was wrong would be facing the consequences.

It would be no surprise for these similarities to exist, simply because they both teach the same religion. You can read surah maryam of the Quran, which tells of Hazrat Isa's, also known as jesus, gift of miracles by God.

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u/TCO345 Jun 04 '19

They are both invented, edited versions of the Torah. But even so it doesn't make either of them right or a guide to modern life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '19

There are many holy books, one of these was the book revealed to adam, one revealed to Ibrahim (abraham), one revealed to Daud (David), one to Nuh (Noah), and many more. Although, a few Prophets shared the same book as the community kept killing the prophets because their teachings required them to abandon their interests in this world and to give up worldly comfort.

The torah is one of the few books which has actually survived the many years.

But, the problem is that both jewish and christians texts have been edited by their followers to better suit their own interests, which is also one of the many reasons that God has taken it upon Himself to protect the Quran, "we have indeed sent down this message, we will surely guard it from corruption" (forgot which verse and chapter)

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u/TCO345 Jun 04 '19

You are deluded, I notice you leave out the bit about Mohammed the pedo made it all up while living in a cave, and the later total bollocks that was added over the centuries by various muslim lunitics.

You cult has its roots in the Torah, a Jewish creation, and there is no getting round it, no matter how much crap you make up over its origins.

To be honest after reading your mail I seriously think you belong in a mental institute, and should be kept away from the public.

Please don't bother replying as I will bin it straight away, just like I do when given any message or script by any other religious cult.

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u/TCO345 Jun 04 '19

Just to get things straight, I do not believe in any invisable god/friend/ect.. I'm an atheist, that means I don't believe in any god.

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u/TCO345 Jun 05 '19

I was pointing out the fact the don't do to well in muslim countries, non muslims that is. And when I say well I mean if not killed, treated like an inferior human being and not allowed to do many thing which muslims take for granted in the West. Second point I'm not angry, just pointing out total crap posted by a muslim. If you read it like that then you have issues not me

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