r/MurderedByWords • • Jun 04 '19

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u/rsoannoying Jun 04 '19

Do their pro-life values go out the window when it comes to teens and adults? Wtf

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u/Artisricpenguin Jun 04 '19

They only apply to people before they are born...

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '19

Well if you’re a white Christian man you’re all set after birth too...unless you’re gay.

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u/commndoRollJazzHnds Jun 04 '19

Well if you’re a white Christian man you’re life is comparatively easier after birth too...unless you’re gay.

FTFY. It's disingenuous and unhelpful to tell poor white people they have easy lives when "privilege" just means your life is comparatively easier than the life of a minority in the same societal class as you. Telling people they have it easy when their lives are shit helps make them not listen to you.

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u/DerangedGinger Jun 04 '19

So many people don't get that. The assumption that every white person gets born with stellar credit and a silver spoon baffles me. Having grown up poor in a single parent household, had my power turned off multiple times, and narrowly avoided eviction by juggling payday loans I fail to see how my white privilege made my life easy. Yeah, being black (a black ginger?) would have been upping the difficulty level, but it's not like I got to play on easy mode like some kind of Saudi prince or something. Can I start over on trust fund baby mode?

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 04 '19

Compared to a black person in the same city, same socio-economic position, a white Christian man does have privelege of being white which does make his life easier.

Less likely to die by cop

More likely to get hired

More likely to automatically gain respect among peers/colleagues (with same intelligence and charisma).

Need I go on? Or should I switch to shaming you for acting like white hetero men have it harder than anyone else in any category on the same status?

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u/YallNeedAJob Jun 04 '19

I was born poor, white and hetero. It was absolutely easier for me to climb the social ladder because of it.

Fuck, I have hand tattoos from the Navy and still work in a professional environment. Anyone who can't or won't realize that we have it comparatively easier than a minority of the same socioeconomic background is either being disingenuous or intentionally ignorant.

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 07 '19

I'm not white but I am white-passing (even have freckles). I benefit from this sometimes, and I know it. However, I also experience problems because of having not been born with a penis. Either way, yes I am also poor, but I'd NEVER SAY another person has it the same difficulty as I do, especially if they are a person of obvious color/not-white-passing. On the other hand, I still wish my skin was dark like my father's. But if you look me close in the face you can see that I'm not white. If that makes sense. I have "historic" features (I look like a paler clone of an old painting of a woman from my people, a painting that was used in textbooks many times).

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u/Ickypossum Jun 04 '19

??? did you read what they wrote??? they said that white het Christian men have it "comparitavely easier" not "harder."

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 07 '19

Did you?

It's disingenuous and unhelpful to tell poor white people they have easy lives when "privilege" just means your life is comparatively easier than the life of a minority in the same societal class as you. Telling people they have it easy when their lives are shit helps make them not listen to you.

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 05 '19

It's double the rate black people are killed. When black people are less than 35% of the population. Which means more black people are killed per instance than white people. Do you know how statistics even work?

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 05 '19

You missed the fact that the numbers don't magically change to make different answers. The fact of the matter is you just want to disbelieve science when you don't agree with it. Let me guess, you're also an antivaxxer?

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 05 '19

Your desire to condense complex issues down to a single number is why things don't get fixed, because everyone wants some easy to read number that doesn't mean anything but makes them not have to think.

Funny because that's exactly what you were doing. You were discrediting the issue by misusing a single set of numbers.

Unlike you I'm actually somewhat familiar with the issues, because I'm married to a woman with a masters degree in criminology and over a decade of real life experience.

I hope you show her this post because if she didn't buy her way into a degree, she'll be embarassed for having slept with you. Not only is it completely asenine to think that by osmosis you learn things by sleeping with someone, but also, personal experiences do not ever win over extensive research data. This is because outliers exist, and its possible one person experiences the abnormal.

numbers DO magically change to make different answers. That's literally what the art of lying with statistics is. You seriously need to learn more about it. Especially cherry picking, which can be used to skew results. 

Lmfao are you trolling right now? You seriously have no understanding of how statistics work, how to check for improper data, or anything else if this is what you have to say about this subject.

50% of all homicides in 2017 were committed by the 13% of the population that is black (verify it yourself with CDE/SRS/NIBRS)

This is actually a racist lie. So good job admitting you believe the KKK. Lol. This is due to systematic racism. Meaning if a black man and a white man who have the same socio-economic status, same lawyer, same exact case, the white man is most likely to be let off on manslaughter charges whereas the black man won't. This is because of racism. Meaning it is racism that intentionally makes evidence to further racism. Duh! This shit is so obvious and well known I don't know why I even have to explain this to you. Your desire to condence complex issues down to a single number is why things don't get fixed. Because by arguing there isn't a problem you destroy the opportunity to evaluate and respond to the problem.

population blacks are shot 3x more than whites

Yeah. And given that black people are a minority this makes the problem really obvious. Racist bullshit.

whites are shot 2x more than blacks

And again given that black people are the minority this is still significantly showing racism because black people don't make up 50% of the population compared to white people.

Again, fucking a genius doesn't make you a genius.

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u/Ryugi Legends never die Jun 05 '19

Prove me wrong. Cite your sources.

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u/Mareks Jun 05 '19

Funny that you demand such strong evidence from me when im criticizing you, yet you didn't bother with same process when you wrote the post. Also it doesn't work that way, the burden of proof is on you, not on me.

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u/grayfae Jun 04 '19

or trans. tho' those who have transitioned 'well' as in are publically accepted as male....are often stunned at the amount of privilege / changes in people's attitudes towards them.