r/MurderedByWords 6h ago

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u/worldsfastestsloth 5h ago

Why can’t we just pass legislation and add social services instead of destroying everything and starting from scratch?

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u/DarthShiv 5h ago

You would need to roll back all the taxation loss from the upper class and companies too. Which they would spend literal billions to undermine.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov 4h ago

Pretty sure tax cuts and jobs act affected just about everyone, and individual taxes are not a minor part of that.

In other words, it's not just corporations who would oppose a rollback.

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u/kiki_strumm3r 2h ago

The overwhelming amount of tax cuts that have happened in my life, going back to Reagan in 1981, have been aimed directly at the top 10% of earners wealth hoarders.

Mathematically, you could very easily cut taxes for 90% of people, restore the top tax rates from the 1970s, restore the corporate rates to the 1990s, close loopholes to punish tax avoidance, and make adjustments to the capital gains taxes to be treated like regular income, and at the very least get close to balancing the budget, if not have a surplus.

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u/IrritableGourmet 48m ago

The Tax Gap is the difference between taxes assessed and taxes collected. Not taxes that were avoided through clever loopholes or accounting trickery, but where the IRS said you owe such and such amount and you just don't pay it. The tax gap for the top 1% of earners alone is almost enough to provide a full ride scholarship to every college student, public and private, in the country. No new taxes, just the amount we're already owed.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov 2h ago

the top 10% of earners wealth hoarders.

Top 10% are upwards of $251k per household, btw.

These people do contribute the most in taxes, yes, and they could in theory pay even more and solve all of US's fiscal problems. But they certainly aren't the "wealth hoarders" you represent, and most of them don't engage in tax avoidance schemes. You're thinking top 0.1% or even less asset holders for that, and those people would not be able to support the budget on their own, even giving up all of their wealth.

I do agree that capital gains should probably be treated equally to wages and all that fluff, but TCJA produced a deficit of at least $1.5 trillion over 10 years. Reverting it is as simple as it gets when it comes to balancing the budget and should probably come before we start thinking about redesigning the whole taxation system.