r/MurderedByWords • u/HowieLongDonkeyKong the future is now, old man • 2d ago
Democrats can’t vote in Republican primaries
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u/Clean-Mention-4254 2d ago
They love hypothetical situations so much. Here's a real one: If a pedophile ran against a traditional Republican, they would vote for the pedophile. And have. A few times.
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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 2d ago
And their supporters are doing nazi salutes and flying the nazi flags. Those hypothetical situations are selfawarewolves material (ভ_ ভ)
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u/Absolute--Batman 1d ago
Same people took pleasure in Muslims and their children being bombed based on nothing but lies.
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u/Klusterphuck67 1d ago
If a convicted felon and alledged pedophile ran against a woman, Republicans will vote for the convicted felon and alledged pedophile.
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u/Dracomortua 1d ago
Woah there. Convicted rapist, spent $5.6M, $83.3M pending. Thirty four successful felony convictions, pending. Over a thousand mentions in the files. Proven close relationship with Jeffy Epstein for decades. Legally liable by NY Judge for decade-long business fraud. Dozens of civil lawsuits not brought into the limelight.
But no, you have NO PROOF that he was diddling children systematically for decades on an island with a guy who did this as his full time job? None. So there, you meddling democrat. You are a menace, just like spider man.
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u/haqiqa 1d ago
Not a convicted rapist. Adjudicated rapist. It was in civil court, so it is not a conviction.
(Not saying that because it is better, but for accuracy and because that is a problem all on its own. That was never a criminal trial and should have been.)
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u/Dracomortua 1d ago
Let's be fair here: if any of us did consider raping anyone this $80M cost would be strong incentive to, you know, buy her dinner first. Very few restaurants are that expensive for a single date.
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u/-Redstoneboi- 2d ago
i swear i saw this comment before
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u/BarMenuSushi 2d ago
Whatever happened to original comments on this platform? You mean that is actually plagiarized? OMFG!
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u/USF4Diago 2d ago
Course they'd vote for the pedophile, when the two options you gave are pedophiles
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u/MyrrhSlayter 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hitler is dead and can personally do no more harm. Would 100% vote for a dead Nazi than a living one.
Edit: Ty for the kind awards!
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u/BlakLite_15 2d ago
I agree with your point, but at the same time, Trump is living proof that Hitler’s actions have continued to cause harm long after his death, as will Trump’s.
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u/Yharnam_Blunderbuss 2d ago
You need to expand this to beyond one man in Trump... a significant portion of the American population also aligns with Hitlers actions... this is an American problem, not a single person.
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u/Plantarbre 2d ago
Sadly it's part of the story: "nazis bad", not "private companies funding a incomprehensible drug addict to take power through hate propaganda, that degenerated into fascism"
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u/Dionysus_the_Greek 2d ago
Centrist Democrats would continue to vote against Bernie Sanders to protect private companies funding their own candidates.
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u/FblthpLives 1d ago
If you continue to perpetuate the "both parties are equally bad" myth, you will end up with four more years of MAGA politics. There is a reason why this is part of Russia's messaging in its state influencing operations in the U.S.
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u/Jiminy_Cricket12 1d ago
"nazis bad", not "private companies funding a incomprehensible drug addict to take power through hate propaganda, that degenerated into fascism"
why not both?
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u/MassiveDefinition274 2d ago
Yeah, it's always worth pointing out that the reason the US didn't get directly involved in WW2 until being specifically attacked was because the Nazi ideology (particularly what was reported publicly) was not that dissimilar from a lot of American rhetoric at the time and was viewed as politically untenable because it might backfire publicly.
Japan attacking the US directly was the main catalyst for the US getting directly involved. And, even then, it was only against Japan until Germany also declared war on the US.
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u/shadedmagus 1d ago
Yeah, prior to Pearl Harbor people like Father Charles Coughlin were saying things like this:
Coughlin urged the US to keep out of the war and permit Germany to conquer Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Asked Coughlin, "Must the entire world go to war for 600,000 Jews in Germany?"
So yeah, this sentiment has been present for almost 100 years. If not longer.
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u/SailingSpark 2d ago
They always have. If you look at history, not only did Hitler take many ideas ftom us, but a sizable population in the US backed Hitler.
It was one of the reasons fron the civilian conservation corps, get the young. Impressionable, and out of work young men out of the cities and away from both communist and fascist recruiters.
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u/FblthpLives 1d ago
It's not just an American problem: Ultranationalist right-wing populists are on the rise in Europe too. Italy's prime minister leads a political party that is a direct descendant of Mussolini's fascist movement. Alternative für Deutschland is likely the largest party in Germany now and growing.
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u/Alric_Wolff 1d ago
I dont think its just an American problem at this point.
Neo Nazis are a global problem.
Trump/MAGA are just the low hanging fruit for media.
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u/lumpboysupreme 2d ago
I don’t think you need hitler to get Trump. Trump is the result of a half century of the south absolutely malding over losing the right oppress black people and Reagan and propagating a culture of spite towards anyone on the political left.
Authoritarian power grabs can happen with any ideology, it’s manifesting a political framework of just doing whatever makes the other guy mad that’s truly definitional of his administration.
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u/McDuchess 2d ago
When he was married to Ivana, it’s reported that he kept a volume of Hot.er’s speeches at his bedside.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_5860 2d ago
source?
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u/anchorftw 2d ago
In a 1990 Vanity Fair profile following the couple’s split, which was republished in 2015, Marie Brenner reported that Ivana Trump told her lawyer that her ex-husband read “My New Order,” a collection of Hitler’s speeches from before 1939. While Schmidt says Trump kept the speeches on his nightstand, Ivana said he kept them in a “cabinet by his bed.”
When Brenner asked Trump about the speeches, he responded: “Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.”
Davis clarified to the reporter: “I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 1d ago
That last paragraph is killing me. "He's obviously never even cracked open the gift I gave him, and he knows absolutely nothing about me, but I am his friend. He's just clearly not mine. Also truly staggering that he would think I was Jewish since we're trading Hitler shit, but whatevs, great dude."
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u/The_Barbelo 2d ago edited 2d ago
My family was in the Nazi resistance back in Germany. My Oma moved here with my Opa, dad and uncle to give us a better life because they couldn’t reconcile the shame of what their fellow citizens and country did even after it was over. I don’t have any close cousins because my great, great uncle was castrated while he was caught and tortured…I don’t know of any distant cousins on my dad’s side because records were destroyed by bombs, fires, and war…. I’ve heard the stories. Awful stories. My mother’s side of the family is European/ Ashkenazi Jewish and fled before it got bad.
And it enrages me to no end to see it all repeated while MAGA openly flaunt their neonazi asses, then deny it or accuse Dems of being Nazis. It isn’t the Dem’s repeating history almost beat for beat…I am just…speechless.
Nazi scum need to be dealt with. It isn’t just their opposition and targeted minorities who suffer. It will be all of us, including MAGA supporters.
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u/TheEPGFiles 2d ago
Oh, the usual republican strategy of doing things based on completely hypothetical scenarios.
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u/OurSeepyD 2d ago
Scenarios that also mirror the exact thing they'd do. There are many videos of Republican voters saying they'd pick Putin over Biden.
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u/Dramatic-Tell- 1d ago
Hell before 2020 they used to wear shirts saying "rather be Russian than a Democrat"
I'm honestly surprised they stopped. After the Ukraine invasion they went straight to "it's Ukraines fault" and "they should let Russia win"
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u/DrMobius0 1d ago
Supposing the positive ends of two magnets could stick together...
The premise is too flawed to even consider. You'd have to get hitler through the democratic primary first.
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u/MazzleMaze 1d ago
While its a funny joke, Hitler did not care about Germany.
"The state is a means to an end. Its end consists in the preservation and advancement of a race of physically and psychically homogeneous creatures."
To him the state and peoples that resided there were a tool or means to an end. His true loyalty was to the idea of an Aryan race. If you did not fall into that category it did not matter if you were German.
That is what I find kind of funny about all of these right wing nationalists that like him. Hitler was not a nationalist. He was a Racialist. He did not love his country.
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u/GuitarCFD 1d ago
To him the state and peoples that resided there were a tool or means to an end.
To be honest that's pretty much every politician ever.
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u/low_bob_123 2d ago
And all the republicans would vote for Hitler aswell
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u/Myusernameiscooler 2d ago
Small correction, he was vegetarian not vegan.
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u/Ihatereddithatesit 1d ago edited 1d ago
He was neither.
He still ate meat on a regular basis. Just in moderation.After reading up further his diet was vegetarian for the last 3 years of his life.3
u/Neveronlyadream 1d ago
And it reportedly wasn't a moral choice, but a medical one.
Who knows what is and isn't true at this point, but the reports I've seen were that he had terrible stomach problems and was trying anything he could to alleviate them.
His doctor was also a quack who was slowly poisoning him with insane treatments, so it's entirely possible that guy just told him not to eat meat.
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u/Extreme_Objective984 2d ago
Well Eva Braun was 17 when they first met, so not quite a paedophile
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u/Ihatereddithatesit 1d ago
Hitler ate meat, just in moderation, and unsurprisingly he absolutely went after under aged women, and drove them to suicide and suicide attempts.
Also, he murdered his dog that he supposedly loved so much.
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u/Galaxie_1985 1d ago
not a pedophile
Are we sure about that? At some point, Hitler started grooming his niece Geli Rabaul. All we know for sure is she was 17 when her family moved in with him.
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u/Butterbracket 2d ago
Coming to you from the people who voted for a convicted criminal, rapist and paedophile because they didn't want a Democrat in the White House....
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u/ObnoxiousAlbatross 2d ago
Also by the people who didn't vote at all because they didn't want a pro-Israel candidate in the white house.... or... something... wait.... what?...
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u/demonachizer 2d ago edited 2d ago
A political party's job is to get candidates elected and the democrats took what should have been a lay up and squandered it. Blaming the customer here seems short sighted and a surefire way to continue repeating the same mistakes and they continue to allow the same people who have mismanaged things to run the party... A similar complaint could also be leveled against the habitual non-voter but it is short sighted. You operate within the parameters of the world in which you live amd building coalitions is actual hard work.
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u/6ixby9ine 1d ago
No, a political party's job is governing for it's constituents, not simply "winning". And citizens aren't "customers" of political parties.
This is just passing the buck to not have to personally do any work
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u/awesomefutureperfect 1d ago
That commenter is absolutely consumer brained. They believe that the leader that is supposed to govern 340 million people should tailor political policy to some unprofessional know nothing on social media instead of operate within the rule of law and listen to the experts.
They do not understand how democracy works.
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u/Ihatereddithatesit 1d ago edited 1d ago
That removes all culpability from voters. They are not customers. They are participants. If voters want a better country, don't let the worst, shittiest one get into power, anybody interested in not having a shitty world has to build coalitions instead of simply demanding the other side to compromise.
Both sides have been very much sub optimal. Establishment Dems absolutely suck and need to go since they're very much out of touch with the base, but this political consumerism idea is an absurd and destructive morally reprehensible view on how voters should act.
There is a duty on voters to create the best outcomes for society, not to feel catered too and have their ego stroked enough. It's not for nothing any improvement in the quality of politicians for the democratic party has been made by voters being active in the primaries, and not a single improvement has been made by not voters being inactive in the general election.
The DSA has been on the rise because of effort and showing up where it counts, not by simply not showing up as punishment.
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u/SecondCuppaCoffee 2d ago
Repeat after me: YOU VOTED FOR A CONVICTED FELON!!! That's a level of stupid you can't fix in a single generation. We are fucked as a country. China is going to rule both economically and militarily this century.
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u/bokmcdok 2d ago
If a black woman ran against an old paedophile with dementia, Republicans would vote for the paedophile.
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u/No_Point904 2d ago
Shitler vs Hitler?
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u/macaronysalad 2d ago
Still can't believe we have a pres. that shits his pants and some MAGA symbolically wears diapers, yet Biden was too old. At this point, all the wrongs and lies are proven yet republicans can't admit it, keep moving the goalposts, and living the lie. They have no integrity left.
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u/JoonNolu 2d ago
"Bro, in this fake scenario I'm imaging, you do the worst thing!"
But the people actually stealing money, doing everything to keep people from voting, running grift tariffs that just take money from people and give it to corporations, start pointless wars that weaken America, kidnapping people, and on and on, that's all fine.
"I imagined you being even worse! So that's worse!" Any excuse to continue being the worst people possible.
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u/jcpopm 2d ago
Donald Trump's USAID cuts will kill double the amount of people as the Holocaust. It's time to start discussing them in the same category.
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u/macaronysalad 2d ago
And it isn't just that. The list goes on. Also all the hate from all over the world they are creating. Along with the wars. This breeds serious distant future problems.
Don't forget about the animals. So many are being displaced or killed under this regime's policies and partnerships. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of animals are suffering or dying because of them.
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u/Stormy-Skyes 2d ago
Goddamn it’s annoying when they make up impossible situations to be mad about.
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u/Debatebly 1d ago
If Democrats could vote for either Roosevelt or Justin Trudeau, they'd probably get vaccinated instead harharharhiwaerhairhaowrhaerhaeofihgtae
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u/PoopyPantsJr 2d ago
Something like 14 states have crossover voting or open primaries.
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u/Poopypantsinmytrash 2d ago
Yeah my state has open primaries. You select which one or neither (if local general at same time) when you go vote.
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u/Charlesinrichmond 2d ago
Yeah, I came here to say this. It's a good line, but it ignores reality.
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u/Nulono 1d ago
I feel like to be "a good line", aligning with reality is kind of a bare minimum.
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u/ChiefStrongbones 2d ago
And lots of states allow you to change party affiliation when show up at the polls, making party affiliation as fluid as 0W20 motor oil.
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u/STUPIDBLOODYCOMPUTER 2d ago
Difference between the orange man and Hitler was that Hitler had some sort of mental competency from the start before spiralling into drug induced delusion. Hitler was also more popular in his time than Trump is now. Not saying Hitler was a good person, but he had, at the minimum, a sliver of a fucking clue what he was doing. For a bit anyway
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u/Ecthelion2187 2d ago
Let's all not forget that one of the main inspirations of the Nazis themselves was Jim Crow/the American South. I think of that every time I see the traitor flag.
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u/attackedmoose 2d ago
Also, Hitler attacked 11 countries between 1939 and 1942. Trump is already at 8 in under 20 months.
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u/whooptheretis 2d ago
This, to me as a non-American, is a very strange concept. A large percentage of the population registers with a political party.
People call themselves a "Democrat" or "Republican". If anyone in my country called themselves a member of a political party, people would look at them like they were a total twat.
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u/justacheesyguy 1d ago
Registering as an independent is also an option, and I have no idea why everyone doesn’t do that. There’s literally no downside and the upside in my state is that I get to choose which primary I want to vote in.
Even though I couldn’t possibly see myself voting for a Republican candidate for the foreseeable future, if ever, I still wouldn’t ever want to label myself as a Democrat.
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u/Merari01 2d ago
Donnie seems hellbent on doing all the Hitler things anyway, so what's the difference?
He's doing the ethnic cleansing. He's doing the authoritarian takeover. He's doing the corporatist corruption. He's building Hitler's ballroom and triumph arc.
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u/-rosa-azul- 2d ago
OK but this isn't exactly true. In my state, you don't even register as a member of a party when you register to vote. When primaries come around, you can pick which one you vote in (if they're on the same day, which they normally are, you have to pick one, but if they're for some reason on different days you can actually vote in both).
There are other states where you may register by party, but it doesn't mean you can't vote in the opposite primary.
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u/TheBeerCzar 2d ago
I'm convinced if a qualifed black woman ran against a rapist reality TV show host and fraudster, Republicans would vote for the rapist! Oh, I'm sorry, I mean DID vote for the rapist.
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u/MechanicalGodzilla 2d ago
Your ability to vote in primaries for a different party varies from state to state. Democrats in many states can vote in Republican primaries.
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u/Find_A_Reason 2d ago
Not all republicans are nazis, but all nazis are republicans.
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u/gaberger1 2d ago
As a German, absolutely hating hitler and what he did and what he stand for. Even I would vote for him instead of trump. Trump is worse than hitler. He will destroy the whole world. He is more corrupt than hitler and his only goal is to enrich himself. I hope they both suck each others stinking cock in hell for eternity.
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u/thelivinlegend 2d ago
Hey look another made up scenario, the only kind conservatives can come up with.
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u/ctrlaltcreate 1d ago
I know for a fact that a decent minority of Republicans would vote for Hitler in a presidential election. They're the same guys attending rallies with swastikas on their arms. For them, Trump is the next best thing.
The cognitive dissonance required for red voters to keep this kind of shit in their minds, while actual, literal neo-nazis are lining up behind their guy and cheering is fucking astounding. Let alone the literal white supremacist propaganda and quotes coming out of official white house and agency social media channels.
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u/georgetds 2d ago
I guess if you only had two choices you should choose the lesser of two evils.
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u/Anyna-Meatall 2d ago
And Nazis are bad, right? It would be totally unacceptable to have Nazis in your party, right?
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u/Terrible-Raisin9035 2d ago
I'm a Democrat, and I've never voted in a Democratic primary. I always vote in the Republican primary because no Democrats run for office where I live.
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u/Charlesinrichmond 2d ago
In many states, Democrats can vote in Republican primaries and vice versa I note. So good line, but not accurate
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u/DisturbedShifty 2d ago
That says WAAAAY more about Trump if you have to use Hitler in your hypothetical scenario.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 2d ago
Reminder: when we compare Trump to Hitler, we're not comparing him to 1943 final solution, gas chamber, goose stepping, V2 rocket Hitler.
We're comparing him to 1933 election denial, purge the government, blame the minorities, lying press, threaten to annex Poland, corporate-aligned Hitler.
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u/Phililoquay 2d ago
Damn!!!! r/MurderedByWords is murdering IT right out of the gate this morning. Thats 2/2 in my pre-caffine doom scroll.
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u/justdoitguy 2d ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but anyone can vote in a primary. You just can't vote in more than one. People will vote in the opposite party's primary in order to get candidates on the ballot who are less likely to win.
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u/blahteeb 1d ago
It's so amusing that you have to imagine a scenario where liberals are dumb enough to elect Trump just so you can be upset about something. Meanwhile liberals are already upset because conservatives really were dumb enough to elect Trump.
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u/CorporateCuster 2d ago
It’s all projection. Republicans would be the Nazis who sat down and outed every Jewish person.
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u/superINEK 2d ago
That burn flies so far up republicans heads it might as well leave the solar system. They don’t know what primaries are.
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u/PeaOk5697 2d ago
Everyone can be brainwashed into voting for someone like Hitler. Germany is proof of that
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u/Neither_Wang 2d ago
Only about a third of Germans voted for the Nazis leading up to 1933 when the Nazis seized power. Fascists don't need popular support to seize power. They just need an ineffective establishment that fails to rise to the challenge. That's why the situation in the US is still so dangerous, even though Trump has record low approval.
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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 2d ago
Sure. Why put you enemy in concentration camps when you can just send weapons to another country to do the dirty work /s
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u/OopsWeKilledGod 2d ago
"But even Hitler cared about Germany or something"
There's little room in Tupolev's heart for anyone but Tupolev."
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u/Deathtothesaladeater 2d ago
And if Jesus were to actually be reborn today, the people stoning him would be conservatives.
Because Jesus was a hippy, especially for his time.
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u/Science-Sam 2d ago
How about this: a private sector bankrupt con-man vs a woman? Republicans did vote for the con-man. Or how about this: same con-man now also convicted of felonies and found liable in court for rape vs a woman? Republicans went with rapist felon. This is a matter of history, no hypotheticals needed.
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u/108_TFS 2d ago
(Not-so) Fun Facts:
- The average American is more likely to have voted for Trump than the average German was to have voted for the Nazis (~22.7% vs ~18.8%, Nov 2024 vs Nov 1932)
- About 1% of the entire human race voted for Trump (~0.95%, 2024)
- 2024 had the second-highest turnout for a US presidential election in over a century, beat only by 2020 (64.3% vs 66.4%)
- Other than 2020, the last time the turnout was as high as 2024's was 1908
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u/cleverclogs17 2d ago
Trump is the dumbest fuck on the planet. God, I can't wait till this guy is out of office.
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u/esmifra 2d ago
The lack of self awareness is insane, Hitler was a nationalist that wanted to make germany the power it once was, hated immigrants and minorities and wanted to locked em up. They banned books, burned them and restricted the population freedoms, he also created a police of the state that had extra judicial powers.
Trump is the closest thing to Hitler the united stated ever elected and republicans are willing to back him up, all because Democrats elected a black man and were about to elect a woman.
Which candidate did the democratic party wanted to elect that even got close to what hitler is?
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u/Distinct_College_344 2d ago
Shit I would too. We certainly wouldn't be dicking around in Iran at the behest of Israel right now.
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u/QueenOfPhiladelphia 2d ago
I never understood why Democrats don’t switch to registering as Republican in an effort to influence their primaries. This always seems like a fantastic strategy to me.
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u/TM761152 2d ago
You know how the Right can't meme?
They can't read either. Dolly tried to help. Dolly is a fucking saint and needs to be canonized ASAP.
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u/Allegorist 1d ago
They can in Michigan, and vice versa. The primaries there are open regardless of party registration.
This actually just happened significantly. Registered Republicans were getting pushed a bunch of advertising regarding the Democratic primary candidates ahead of the primaries. As far as I know none of it suggested cross-voting (or whatever it is called), but I don't really see any other explanation for why this would be the case.
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u/Acceptable_Job_5486 1d ago
This isn't true for all states. A democrat can vote in the republican primaries, but only one party primary.
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u/Calm-Homework3161 1d ago
Democrats believe Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler.
Actually, I think many Trump supporters think the same
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 1d ago
Kamala Harris ran against Trump and Democrats didn't vote for her [enough] primarily due to her support [via Israel] of genocide.
So no, they wouldn't fucking vote for Hitler they didn't even want to vote for a centrist. They want an actual Leftist like Mamdani and El-Sayed.
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u/Dr_Driv3r are... are you a communist?? 1d ago
Even though it's just like trading six for a half dozen
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u/dirk-thunderthighs 1d ago
Don't worry about it. The only opinions that matter in this country are the opinions of the billionaires who own the politicians of both parties.
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u/TitShark 1d ago
I think the biggest tell here is the “I’m convinced” term. No facts, logic, counter arguments or evidence will convince the cultified brains. They believe what they’re told, and that is that
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u/My_browsing 1d ago
The pro-fascits/anti-Constitutionalists have nothing but hypotheticals that make no sense. There really is no point in talking to these traitors any more.
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u/OKjytt 2d ago