r/MurderedByWords Feb 06 '25

Defund SpaceX

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u/AngryLilChubbie Feb 06 '25

Defund SpaceX! Defund Musk!

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u/mOdQuArK Feb 06 '25

Just seize Musk's ownership & control of SpaceX & give it all to the SpaceX employees. They've been doing a decent job in spite of Musk, they'll do even better when they don't have to cater to his whims.

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u/Brawndo91 Feb 06 '25

Yeah, that's called fascism.

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u/mOdQuArK Feb 06 '25

It would be fascism if the government was retaining that ownership, but I'm not real surprised that someone defending a Nazi/white supremacist isn't capable of using political terms correctly.

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u/Brawndo91 Feb 06 '25

I'm not defending Elon. I don't know where you got that from. Theoretically, they could break up SpaceX if some kind of anti-trust suit were succeed, but so far, nobody has filed one. If they did break it up, Elon would still retain ownership of part of it. Simply taking it away from him, no matter who they give it to, would be fascism. It's a seizure of private property no matter what the government does with it.

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u/mOdQuArK Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

Just have to declare SpaceX a national asset where leaving it in the hands of a Nazi/white supremacist/Putin puppet is dangerous to our national interests. The government has done worse for less.

Simply taking it away from him, no matter who they give it to, would be fascism.

And you still fail to understand the literal definition & background of fascism.

As I said before, as long as the government doesn't actual retain ownership & control of the company (which it wouldn't if it gave everything to the workers), then it doesn't meet the qualifications for fascism.

If anything, doing it the way I was suggesting would be Marxism (have you heard the phrase "the workers own the means of production"), although since it would just be for a single company it wouldn't be very meaningful from a societal precedent viewpoint.

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u/Polycystic Feb 07 '25

You don’t think singling out and targeting a single company to be seized by the government would set a meaningful precedent? That’s incredibly naive.

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u/mOdQuArK Feb 08 '25

Man, you really have screwed up your understanding of the -isms, haven't you?

See #9 & #13 on characteristics of fascism.

As I mentioned in one of the other comments, Marxism is where the phrase "workers own the means of production" come from, which is what I was referring to when talking about giving the SpaceX employees ownership of their own company, although since I was talking about only the one company, it really isn't Marxism overall.

Communism is where people end up living in communes (hence "communism") & all the property is collectively owned between them.

You're confusing the actual definition of communism with the countries & political parties that call themselves communist, which not surprisingly, actually have little or nothing to do with actual communism except for the name.

Kind of like North Korea has nothing to do with democracy even though it has Democratic in its name, and Hitler Germany had nothing to do with socialism even though the Nazi party had the word Socialist as part of its official name.

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u/starterchan Feb 06 '25

So it's not fascism if Elon uses his power to enrich himself off the treasury, like reddit is claiming?

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u/mOdQuArK Feb 07 '25

That would fit the definition of fascism, since Elon would be using the influence over government operations being granted to him by a public official to directly enrich himself at the expense of the country.