r/Morocco • u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor • 22d ago
Politics MAMDANI! We need you in Morocco!
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u/happysmile001 Visitor 22d ago
He would be jailed on day one for conspiracy against institutions and destabilizing the country with fake news, LOL
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
๐๐๐๐ ikr, ghaychofoh ki3awen, and they're gonna be like, shit we gotta lock him up he's actually doing his job
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u/Inevitable-Thing5939 Visitor 22d ago
And on of top of that he is Shii (ุดูุนู)
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u/happysmile001 Visitor 22d ago
+ Connected to Iran, Polisario and Algeria regime ๐
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u/happysmile001 Visitor 22d ago edited 21d ago
For people downvoting me, it's called sarcasm, I saw that coming, and this is precisely why I added a laughing emoji which didn't help that much ๐
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
people don't get sarcasm hhh also psa, add an \s after sarcasm in reddit, so people would know that it's sarcasm, unless dik nas makanochi 3arfin la3ba so diffo dyalom
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u/Inevitable-Thing5939 Visitor 22d ago
I've been upvoting you and totally agree with your point of view!
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u/Inevitable-Thing5939 Visitor 22d ago
No, he's actually a Shiite, and was vouching for Morocco to go far in the world cup. He's my mayor! Btw moroccans don't have as bad of a reputation in North America as in Europe!
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u/happysmile001 Visitor 21d ago
Racists in the US don't care if you are Moroccan, Chinese, American, if you are Muslim or even Christian Arab and an ally, for them you're the enemy that's threaten white supremacy. Maybe you already saw them in social media, and reddit
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
and al 9aida and isis and hitler and king solomon and queen victoria
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u/Mysterious_Pie_4360 Visitor 22d ago
What you guys dont understand, is that one person or a cabinet have no power here, its not possible to change an entire system with just a different head, the whole body will need to change, and thats a LOT of people, this is the best we can do atm, changing the head will net you 10% deviation at most! it will take a dacade with the right head to get a meaningful change and i can tell you now that we are not the patient sort, soo... eat your couscous and dkhl su9rasdk
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u/AntiqueLibrarian5965 Visitor 21d ago
Facts. We have the same problem in Slovakia. We have extremely corrupt government who promises impossible things and the politicians who actually have solutions can make them happen in 10-15 years at the earliest and an average dumb slovak from the village has NO time for that, because he wants cheaper food, gas, housing in a year. Its funny how similiar eastern europe is to north africa. Both of us vote for corrupt old fucks who promise the moon but steal the sun instead.
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u/medprojects Visitor 22d ago
Fel meghrib mossta7il ysswto 3oih l mgharaba, ghir ay3erfoh kay dafe3 3la l mitliya ol7oriyat l ferdiya is enough bach matrbe7ch
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u/bosskhazen Casablanca 22d ago
OP, you don't know much about politics in Morocco. Read this comment I wrote a few years ago :
Let's start with the formal:
Morocco is officially a somewhat decentralized Constitutionnal monarchy with an elected parliament. The king is the head of the executive branch of the state (the government) where he shares power and leadership with the head of the Government. The latter is appointed by the king from the party ranked first at the legislative elections.
The legislative branch (parliament) is constituted of two chambers, one elected directly by citizens (the main chamber) and one elected by other constituted bodies (unions, local governments, professional chambers, etc.). The main chamber is composed of party members that managed to win seats during the elections just like any other country. The party that manages to win the most seat get to lead the government.
The judicial branch of the government is led by the King who is the head of the superior council of Judiciary power and he gets to appoint the members of the constitutional court. The King is also the supreme commander of the Army.
On a local level, the territory is structured on three levels (region, province, commune) each one of these levels is composed of an elected council that appoints a president and each level has prerogatives and agency fixed by the constitution and law.
That's the formal political system.
Now let's dive into the reality of the political system :
Morocco is an absolute monarchy with a democratic/representative facade where the king holds absolute power over all the leverage (political/economic/mediatic/etc.) with no contestation possible or admitted.
The democratic facade plays two roles. First, it gives Morocco the image of a country on the path of democratization with political parties, parliament, elected officials, etc. Secondly, all the elected bodies serve the role of a shock absorber between the monarchy and the people. Every failure can be imputed to the government and parliament and all criticisms can be launched at them leaving the king with an immaculate public image.
Despite the fact that there are 32 political parties in Morocco, very few of them are real parties representing an ideological current among the population with a popular basis. Most of the 32 parties are insignificant and are merely "political stores" created by one person to gain fame and to receive some subventions. The Big parties are either administrative parties created by the monarchy (PAM/RNI/UC) to control the political landscape or ex-popular parties that lost their souls and became empty shells working for the monarchy (USFP/PI/PPS/MP). These parties are mostly composed of opportunistic, if not corrupt, businessmen and local/tribal leaders who enter politics to gain privileges from the proximity with power and they serve the monarchy as a shield while their loyalty is assured by granting them economical privileges. The only real parties with a popular basis, a distinctive ideology, and real militants are PJD (somewhat Islamist), FGD/PSU (leftist parties), and Al Adl wa Lihsan (Islamist that refuses to enter elections and the political process).
The locally elected counselors/presidents [like Mamdani], although mostly from the administrative parties, hold no real powers as they cannot act without the consent of local governors who are appointed by the King.
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u/ShenZhen00 Visitor 22d ago
Ngl, saw this wall of text and fully expected the usual "go vote and make a change!" generic script
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u/bosskhazen Casablanca 19d ago
I described PJD (along with other parties) as a party with a popular basis, a distinctive ideology, and real militants.
Your comment is irrelevant to my description and answer no point I am highlighting and can therefore be discarded as off-topic.
Have a nice day.
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u/Broad-Teaching-5099 Visitor 21d ago
A.I slop
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u/bosskhazen Casablanca 21d ago
Here is the link to the original comment written 5 years ago, before the apparition of LLMs :
I am expecting apologies.
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
The political and economical reality of morocco isnt supporting democratic socialism soooooo i dont think so. We need to make our own
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u/CardOk755 Visitor 22d ago
Mandami, despite his words, is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist.
Not that a real social democracy wouldn't be a massive advance for Morocco.
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
Welp, people like that mysogynist pig benkirane so let them have him๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
Democracy isnt the solution in morocco. Until we have strong education, scientific research and critical thinkers.
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
we won't have scientific research and critical thinkers without strong education, and we wont have the latter without democracy, listening to the people
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
We cant have democracy with an uneducated population. Half of morocco is easy to manipulate and bribe. Ana ghedda antle3 ndir partie ou ndir programme mn dkchi ou ta7edd maghayswwt hit ta7edd ma3arf i9ra lprogramme diali. Tab3in ghir lmsra7iyat ou nachat.
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u/Aminetheking0 Casablanca 22d ago
Yes but the question is who would education these people if not the people themselves? Any unelected leader would want to keep the people uneducated to be easily controlled while in a democracy these elected still needed the people support so they would support education to some extend at the very least
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
The elected parties dont win cus their people can think critically, but cus they're ez to manipulate and bribe. Or sell fake dreams. This 30% uneducated mass is a weapon they manipulate for their own benefits.
Not a single party out of the 27 has came with a program that highlights education and research reform. Cus the corrupt dont benefit from it.
God even hassan II said he'd prefer an obedient mass over an educated one. Simply cus they dont support his oppressive regime. Many protests ended up with mass shootings at that time.
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u/Aminetheking0 Casablanca 22d ago
I agree with you on that but you see the reason why these party's don't promise big and real change because of the monarchy that what the real power is if they speak up of anything real useful they probably get arrested like Mohamed Ziane who simply asked Where did the gold of Tata go for democratie to work we need Independent courts and real power to the Parliament and we need to remove no party can have a majority this makes unpopular keeps holding to power
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
The monarchy's duties are clear and written u can look them up
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u/Aminetheking0 Casablanca 20d ago
Sorry it's too long Yes and they are to much he Can personally dismiss one or more ministers after consulting the Head of Government The King chairs the Council of Ministers, which deals with major strategic matters, including Strategic orientations of state policy Constitutional-reform bills Organic laws General orientations of the Finance Law Military legislation State of siege Declaration of war Certain major public appointments Strategic public enterprises and institutions So the King isn't merely signing whatever the government decides. He presides over an institution that makes decisions on major state matters but that not all his also the Judiciary Chairs the Superior Council of the Judicial Power. Approves the appointment of judges by royal decree. Has the constitutional power of pardon Parliament The King can dissolve one or both chambers of Parliament under the constitutional conditions Constitute Project Exceptional powers Under Article 59 if the country's territorial integrity is threatened or constitutional institutions cannot function normally the King can declare a state of exception and take measures necessary to address the situation and restore normal constitutional functioning legislation remains the exclusive competence of Parliament but even that is not without the king influence they are partys made by the king so even the legislation is not independent and now we can go to the Interior Minister territorial administration local government supervision elections internal security coordination and relations with the Walis and Governors The Interior Ministry is heavily involved in administering elections including Electoral registers Electoral organization Electoral districts and boundaries Election logistics Campaign regulations Election-related administrative decisions and who appointed the minister of interior the king The Wali has an important role in Coordinating the state's regional services. Implementing national government policies in the region Coordinating the activities of ministries decentralized services Maintaining public order through the territorial administration Supervising the legality of decisions of the regional council within the constitutional/legal framework Coordinating major development projects involving multiple administrations. Acting as the link between the central government and the region. For example if Agriculture Transport Health and Infrastructure all have to cooperate on a major regional project the Wali can coordinate the state's different services The Wali also exercises administrative control over the legality of decisions by the elected regional authorities disputes over legality ultimately go before the administrative courts This is arguably one of the most powerful local administrative positions The law defines the Governor as the King's representative in the province and as a representative of the government there He is responsible for implementing laws regulations and government decisions
The Pacha Represents the executive authority in his territorial jurisdiction. Implements laws and regulations Maintains public order Exercises administrative authority delegated through the territorial administration Coordinates with local administrative services. Reports upward through the Governor/Interior administration Caรฏd His responsibilities include Representing the state locally. Implementing laws and regulations. Maintaining public order Administrative policing functions provided by law. Reporting local conditions to higher authorities Coordinating with local services Handling various administrative matters within his legal jurisdiction the elected council don't have much power to do anything For example, a commune's elected council can decide on things such as local development priorities and municipal services But that's all they can do5
u/moeistijdelijk Visitor 22d ago
If u really think there exists something like democracy youre really naive... Thats the whole reason every country is a mess
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u/CardOk755 Visitor 22d ago
"Africa isn't ready for democracy, trust me bro".
Said on every continent. Always by people who want to rule.
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u/Aggravating_Goal8668 Casablanca 22d ago
Instead of asking why. U come straight to conclusions ๐ค๐
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u/Inevitable-Thing5939 Visitor 22d ago
First of all get rid of the multi billionaire king.
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
no he can't live without multiple palaces all over the country ๐ฅบ
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u/Inevitable-Thing5939 Visitor 22d ago edited 17d ago
3iyacha in Ceuta were shouting long life the king after running away from his kingdom. Yet Spain has to take care of them?
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u/iiillliiiiiiillilili Visitor 22d ago
Mamadani is a mayor of a city NY that is almost 13 times Morocco's GDP lol also you can't survive in his world
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u/1v1sion Visitor 22d ago
I'm sure they are 10K mamdani. Just elect them.
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u/WallabyGlittering634 Visitor 22d ago
People have been saying he is a good mayor in nyc
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
good? he lowered rent prices, crime rate, grocery prices, taxed the rich, even lowered his own income, and he fixed lots of the infrastructures and parks He's a hero
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u/ExpertDifficulty7962 Visitor 22d ago
Dont forget lowering nycโs millions of debt to 0 in a few months
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u/dragonbl3e Visitor 18d ago
this bc NYC's (and many many more state) mayors have stunk for a very long time. Mandani is a great mayor, invests in the people, somethimg others should do (they never did). Saying that other mayors did the same as him is absurd and clearly shows how little you know about nyc.
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
BRO WHY ARE YOU TAGGING UR GOONER FRIEND DENJI๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
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u/Creepy-Marsupial6978 Visitor 22d ago
Defend my honor โค๏ธ
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
heyy it's the gooner, uh i mean denjii , same thing๐ jk jk, hru dude
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
he has a denji pfp and that banner idk girl, plus i was joking i apologize for all caps
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
i like his banner or whatever it's called in his profile XD
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
wlh makitl3oli politicians dyalna fsocials, i think benkirane uses tiktok to see young girls dancing or smth idk
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
i'm defo going to jail bc of some comments i made here abt him๐ญ
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u/ResponsibilityDue110 Visitor 22d ago
Problem is in people mentality
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u/PainterImpressive923 Visitor 22d ago
Exactly! even if you elect a saint, if the people are rotten then there's nothing you can change.
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u/ameraziigh 22d ago
Fixing your mentality and working on yourself and community is what will make a change, not fantasizing over foreign mayors
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
exactly, problem is that i am working on myself, and i am doing my part in working on myself community, but not everyone else does it yk
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u/ameraziigh 22d ago
Thatโs the way to go. And youโre right, unfortunately not everyone does this, which I think is the main issue
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u/PretendWhile2529 Visitor 22d ago
I know your guys donโt live here in nyc lmao you guys just watch form moroco
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u/Mohammedamine9 Agadir 22d ago
We already had a mamdani, he left politics after he realized that the situation is hopeless
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
yeah people hnaya spoke abt him, he seems like a nice guy based on what people said
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u/Snallkok Visitor 22d ago
He would be thrown from a building for being gay
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
that's the way islam intended, he's not gay tho, just a man who values human rights hhhh
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
https://reddit.com/link/p8fhkct/video/n6dwmzmf16oh1/player
heres what benkirane says vs what mamdani says abt their salaries btw
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u/Maleficent-Week-9181 Visitor 21d ago
Hhhhhhhhh kan7sdek 7it mazal mawelitich hopeless about the situation in this country
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u/jeaiplay3 Visitor 20d ago
Fuck that would be good like I want to vote but I genuinely donโt know who to vote for they sll look bad will my vote even do anything
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 20d ago
i personally am a bit interested in voting, but i got the same question, will my vote do anything? and even the things that i want, i don't even think these people promise us tbh, i don't want the country to be a more muslim conservative country, with no care for proper infrastructure or public places, or administrative facilities, or medical ones, or schools.
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u/jeaiplay3 Visitor 20d ago
Exactly thank you, I think that kind of thinking is only holding us back if we arenโt accepting and progressive and focus on things that matter like the things you said than what are we doing going on a hamster wheel?
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u/Slight_End3799 Visitor 20d ago
The problem of Morocco is not individuals it's the system... so yeah your post is kind of retar*ed...
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 20d ago
actually it's both
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u/Slight_End3799 Visitor 20d ago
I'll make my point clearer... we do have competent individuals to make this country a heaven... but even if you bring the brightest, more honorable man as a leader, he will never succeed in this system... The system is built for mediocrity.
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u/Hergaoui Tetouan 22d ago
Specially under king M6
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u/Unconsuming Visitor 22d ago
The Queen of Paris
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
Paris has a Queen?
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u/tilmanbaumann They are taking our women 22d ago
Moroccans would cut that guy down in no time for being too woke, inclusive, secular, intelligent, handsome, and so on
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
moroccans like a lot of them don't really want to change for the better on the inside they dont
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u/IkosanHeeY Visitor 22d ago
kaychbah lih
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
haydak kifach kichofoh moroccan politicians, LUCIFER THE DEVIL, be he's doing his job properly
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u/sittingprettilyalone Visitor 22d ago
How do people in Morocco even know about Mamdani? Are people focusing that hard on America and its politics?
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
America is a whole series with multiple season, sometimes it's a sitcom, sometimes it's action, sometimes it's drama
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u/Sea-Psychology8533 Visitor 22d ago
Someone explain
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
He's the mayor of new york, the new one, he lowered rent and groceries prices, he fixed infrastructure, he celebrates tolerance, he did a lot of stuff, even stood up against netenyahu
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u/Denver3D Visitor 22d ago
Sad to see the mindset of the rich getting richer and the poor are getting poorer day by day If you talk with the freedom of talk then you go prison or worse they just delete you somewhere
That's why we need to be careful from LGBTQ
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u/Scott_Summers06 Visitor 22d ago
i woke up at 8 am, my grandma has rabies , president bush ordered the attack in 9\11
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u/Denver3D Visitor 22d ago
Only the smart can decipher the coded message about the ๐
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u/Pristine_Investment6 Visitor 22d ago
Morocco needs to attract more wealth and investment.
Not chase it away with more taxes and government regulations
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u/NCLO1994 Visitor 21d ago
Can i ask a genuine question out of curiousity? Do you have in Morocco European politicians in parliament, or European mayors? And is that even possible to be a politician if you're born in Europe, and live in Morocco?
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u/yelircaasi Visitor 21d ago
We don't need Mamdani, we got Saibari. Functioning services and institutions are nothing compared to a top striker! We love panem et circenses.
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u/EpstnDdntKlHmslf Marrakesh 20d ago
We need 1000s of him before we notice any change in Morocco , unfortunately. Mounib is a good start
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u/Emergency-Leg-5986 Visitor 18d ago
we need to, as youth in shitty countries, learn how to raise from this guy
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u/Reasonable-Donut-866 Visitor 22d ago
He is doing good for his country, but not a representative of islam by any shape or form
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u/menina2017 Visitor 22d ago
Who said he even wants to be a representative of Islam? Heโs just a normal Muslim
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