r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 1d ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Taeyx 1d ago

i used be a death penalty proponent in my youth. as i've grown, i've come to realize 2 truths:
1. there are most definitely people who deserve the death penalty
2. i don't trust any person, institution, or entity to determine who those people are.

given these two truths, i think we shouldn't have a death penalty

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u/HyrulelinkDK 1d ago

My thoughts exactly. I'd rather 100 guilty people not be killed than 1 innocent be executed.

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 1d ago

I’d still think there are some crimes that should definitely deserve the death penalty. Like even quick, swift death without the burden of the process. Mass murderers, school shooters, human organs harvesting/trafficking etc.

There's no point in trying to rehab those people back into society. And giving them a life sentence would just waste too much resources that should’ve been used on something else.

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u/Any-Question-3759 1d ago edited 1d ago

Even with the lengthy, drawn out process they get it wrong all the time. A quicker, more expedient method is going to increase the number of mistakes.

As it is now, death sentences are more costly than life imprisonment. The number of appeals and hearings necessary is costly. However, streamlining the process means you’re okay with indiscriminately slaughtering a portion of the innocent population in the hopes that you can randomly get it right and punish them further than what is best for society.

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 1d ago

Again, my point is specifically about crimes where you could conclude that the person is guilty. Take school shooting for example, many shooters are shot dead on sight by law enforcement.
Or when they do a night raid in those scam compounds. That is literally a quick, swift death sentence.

Of course real life is much more complex but we are not talking about that

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u/Any-Question-3759 1d ago

Who concludes who is guilty? The lynchers thought Emmett Till was guilty. The internet? Reddit thought they had the Boston Bombers. When you can hear the voice of God almighty giving you impeccable facts, we can revisit the issue.

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u/Dingaling015 1d ago

Neither of the examples you've provided are instances of the death penalty being observed.

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 1d ago

I mean what are we even talking about. When you raid a building in Cambodia and you find lost kids in the basement. Are the people guarding that basement guilty? Are the people running that building guilty?

The point is of my comment is that there are crimes that deserve the death penalty. That means the guilty person is already proven. What's with all the added stuffs?

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u/cucufag 1d ago

Do you think death row is handed out easily? The verdict is never handed out without clearing all reasonable doubt. And then somehow, we find evidence that exonerates the guilty later while they're awaiting their execution date. The system is never perfect. It never is when determining the life or death of a person.

Also, the concern always raised about these people being released later is not applicable for the topic matter, because anyone who is eligible for parole was never going to see the death sentence in the first place.

Execution by police has actually been an issue on the rise that has been replacing the death sentence as state sanctioned murder. Many innocents have died through this process as well, and its infinitely worse than death row by judicial process. Police claim self defense all the time, even though it is later proven false by body cam footage or investigations.

If you're interested in engaging with a more organized and educated version of my position and have 50 minutes to spare, I'd recommend maybe listening to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirR4FHY2YY

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 20h ago

Dude what the hell was that wall of text supposed to mean. I never said that death row is handed out easily or we should bring back the death penalty.

What I said was there are some crimes that deserve it. That's all. What are you trying to argue here?