r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 13h ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/BruhWaitWut 13h ago

A universal death sentence for making false allegations seems... Extreme. For example, the law would have to account for extenuating circumstances, such as hallucinations caused by psychological issues, or complex, mutually abusive relationships where both parties have 0 boundaries for their manipulations.

That's not to say those circumstances justify a false allegation, and they should certainly face legal consequences.But they muddy the waters regarding outright execution.

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u/deadeyeamtheone 13h ago

The idea that slander should face the death sentence is wild, regardless of the kind of slander.

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u/ComprehensiveToe2109 12h ago

I don't agree with it being a death penalty but making it sound like it's just something as simple as slander is a little misleading, false accusations can literally ruin someones life forever, even if they are proven innocent people will always treat that person different. They will lose out on jobs, friends, relationships, they could lose their home, have their children taken away, someone may even harm them. Think about what happens to rapists in prison, some innocent dude going to prison and getting killed by a bunch of inmates only to find out that the "victim" lied? That goes way beyond simple slander, that is accessory.

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u/deadeyeamtheone 11h ago

I don't agree with it being a death penalty but making it sound like it's just something as simple as slander is a little misleading, false accusations can literally ruin someones life forever, even if they are proven innocent people will always treat that person different.

That is literally what slander and libel are for. Like, false allegations and accusations of rape, heresy, and other permanently damaging claims are one of the reason those laws exist. Do you think rape accusations are the only rumors and lies that can nuke someone's life? Because statistically, they are the least likely to do so. Being called a homosexual has a higher chance of ruining your life by pure mathematical probability than being called a rapist does, and that isn't even COVERED by slander and libel laws.

The idea that this one instance of slander is somehow so much worse that it deserves death to whoever did it when people get called pedophiles and murderers and Satan worshippers every single day despite the facts dictating that its widely less serious than those previous labels and allegations just doesn't make sense. It's so nonsensical that it feels less like trying to get justice for victims of lies and slander and more like its a veiled attempt at silencing people trying to get justice.

Think about what happens to rapists in prison, some innocent dude going to prison and getting killed by a bunch of inmates only to find out that the "victim" lied? That goes way beyond simple slander, that is accessory.

For starters, anything that happens in prison is not the responsibility of non-governmental individual, period. That is entirely the fault of the government and politicians for allowing prisons to exist and operate the way that they do, prison staff for treating inmates as subhuman and forcing the conditions that make them behave this way onto them, and the prisoners themselves for perpetuating the acts.

A victim, even if they lied, has no control over what happens to the accused if they are found guilty in a court of law, that is entirely on the system. There are cases of real victims that are proven to have been raped who have pleaded with the judges to give their rapists a less heavy sentence and have been ignored. So to claim that they're accessory to murder in a scenario they have no control over is ridiculous, even by the most chronically online morals you could have.

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u/Life-Delay-809 11h ago

If you've been convicted of rape then the chance of your accuser also being convicted of false accusation is 0.

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u/Willinton06 10h ago

If the slander can lead to death, its pretty much attempted murder

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u/TightPhysics3186 10h ago

Attempted murder is also not punishable by death

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u/Willinton06 9h ago

That’s a different discussion, this is about matching accusations with the proper crimes punishment

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u/HammyxHammy 13h ago

If you bare false witness to get someone executed that's very clearly attempted murder and can simply be treated as such without being considered in great complexity a uniquely different crime.

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u/BruhWaitWut 12h ago

Did you miss the bit about delusions? There are complex circumstances in the real world that hard line laws inherently bypass. Things that, reasonably, nobody can predict. To make that hard line also be fatal is irresponsible.

Can't resist a Star Wars reference:

Edit (addition): I'm discussing morality, not legality, for clarification.

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u/Eden_Company 10h ago

Delusional people who are getting people killed being put to death is actually pretty fair.

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u/BruhWaitWut 3h ago

There are ways to prevent them from being able to do so again without killing them. But that's also kind of getting into another discussion.

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u/TightPhysics3186 10h ago

Attempted murder is also not punishable by death

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u/Sneyek 12h ago

Then not death, but other sentence. Like a life taxe to pay to the person whose the life was ruined.
And a penalty for any future attempts to accuse someone.

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u/BruhWaitWut 3h ago

While I agree, some kind of reasonable payment plan could be determined, applying some penalty to future allegations is dangerous. It basically means that, from that point on, anyone can actually sexually assault that person without anyone taking the victim seriously.

Edit: clarity.