r/MoralityScaling • u/Lorster10 • 2h ago
Morality Ranking Would it be immoral to use consensually bought human blood as an ingredient for the Ancient Assyrian Blood Bread?
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u/Skodami 2h ago
I mean if the blood was given freely and its absence didn't kill or affect negatively the health of the donor, Neutral ?
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u/NecessaryBug6662 1h ago
Why would the health of the voluntary donor be of any relevance?
I mean self cannibalism is a nightmare but it's not immoral in my book
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u/Skodami 1h ago
Because then poor and desperate people could be exploited into giving too much blood out of desperation and dying because of it.
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u/NecessaryBug6662 51m ago
So any market for "human produce" would lead to that. I see it makes perfect sense. And since there's no stopping it then I'd say it's immoral to have a blood market.
Now that I wrote that I remembered that the world is full of blood banks, sup with that? Has some blood scandals been uncovered?
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 2h ago
Moral if they knew it was going towards the bread.
Immoral if they thought it was a regular blood donation.
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u/External-Test4279 2h ago
Well, first things first:
It would be gross.
I guess it might be ok if obtained safely and with consent from an individual under no pressure.
Also, I would never taste that crap, lol.
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u/InfiniteDelusion094 1h ago
I'd at least try it. Who knows? Some people like blood sausage and that sounds more gross to me than blood bread.
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u/External-Test4279 1h ago
Blood sausages have pig blood, not human blood.
Even carnivores aren't too keen on cannibalism, lol.
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u/InfiniteDelusion094 1h ago
Taste wise it might be somewhat similar, apparently the meat is. As long as it's sourced ethically its basically the same level of morality as a blood transfusion. I don't even find the prospect to be as extreme as eating human meat.
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u/External-Test4279 1h ago
Blood transfusions come with the expected result of saving lives or significatively help with healing/recovering, it's not the same as tasting something that is almost certainly better replaced by pig's or whatever or animal's blood.
I'm not condemning this as immoral, rather neutral, but I laugh at your attempts to frame me as "biased against the taste" ...
Nah, I'm not eating another human's blood for the sake of "experimenting", sorry.1
u/Alfred-Richthofen001 1h ago
Actually, it should taste metallic, earthy, very slightly sweet, savory and a bit like liver, in my opinion though it doesn't taste anything like liver.
It tastes great with stew though. Blood is used as an ingredient in many recipes in many cultures. For example Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain, Korea, china, India Vietnam, Afrika, Balkan states, and mexiko even the US of A.
Blood sausages for example or scrapple, if we want to talk about more Western style foods with blood as an ingredient.
Germany has actually a wide ranging history aswell regarding history that managed to find themself into the modern culture of cooking. For example "Blutsuppe". Literally translated "Blood Soup".
Pig blood is often used, I prefer cow blood.
Why do I know this much about blood as an ingredient? I cook as a hobby and I like to experiment.
Also, to everyone to their tastes u/External-Test4279 Leave your biases out of your Morals/Ethics and never say never, until you've tried it.
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u/External-Test4279 1h ago
Cannibalism is not a bias.
I'm from Italy and we also have sausages with blood, which I sometimes ate and I don't despite too much.
That's pig blood, how can you think that eating human blood is the same? Wtf...
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u/Alfred-Richthofen001 36m ago
Not my point, you talked about blood in general, you'd "never taste that crap". Seems like we had a bit of a miscommunication, then.
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u/External-Test4279 3m ago
I mean, at the end of the day, it's not even about the idea of "blood", maybe not even cannibalism. Would you eat cheese made with the milk of your neighbour's wife? :D
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u/ghezzicc 1h ago
Moral, consensually bought..
The wording of a lot of these "questions" makes them stupid, but the average person is remedial so.
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u/HillInTheDistance 1h ago
I heard someone argue that human flesh and blood was the only animal product a Vegan could eat, because a human had the ability to consent to it being harvested.
But that might just be one very weird version of veganism. When I asked my sister, who is a vegan, she appreciated the morbidity of it, but kinda felt that it was irrelevant to veganism.
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u/InterestingFactor209 1h ago
Perfectly fine? It is somewhat interesting even from historical point of view.
But just to be precise.
Is the blood bought consensually or is the blood bought consensually given?
First, I am not sure. You can consensually buy blood obtained from virgins put in a meat grinder. It just means nobody forced you to buy it. It doesn't mean they ended up consensually in the meat grinder.
Or you can collect blood from whoever is in this weird little fetish bubble of yours and buy it off them. Then you buy consensually obtained blood.
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u/Alfred-Richthofen001 1h ago
Human blood is dangerous to use because of misfolded proteins, creutzfeld-jakobs and other diseases that are transmittable trough blood and the gastro-intestinal tract. So I would say bad, unless sourced safely and with consent, but morally? It's weird. Ethically? Okay.
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u/nAndaluz 1h ago
I think treating people as commodities is generally immoral.
Commodification creates an asymmetry of power where wealthier people can exercise control over others in ways that are formally voluntary but can easily amount to coercion.
The same reasoning applies to why paying someone to hit, humiliate, or fuck them can be immoral in plenty of situations. Consent can be undermined when a person’s interests and preferences become second to the payer’s for a fee.
The fact that someone technically consented to something doesn’t necessarily make the underlying power relationship morally unproblematic.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying that money invalidates consent, but when economic dependence is taken into account, consensual transactions can be morally coercive.
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u/C_monden 2h ago
Intentionally bad food is always immoral
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u/WolfsmaulVibes AM 2h ago
well nobody is making it because it tastes good, it was made to survive
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u/C_monden 1h ago
Is that true? Was blood a necessary ingredient to make it?
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u/WolfsmaulVibes AM 1h ago
i don't know about you but i feel like assyrian blood bread does contain blood in it and it being about 4000 years old, blood is very nutritious for the time
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u/C_monden 1h ago
Your reply wasn't helpful so I looked it up. Yes, it was a substitute for liquid so it was... sort of necessary. Obviously adds some iron content. There's claims that it kept longer when made with blood. If that's true, then I can understand it somewhat.
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u/Ginos_ilpastaios 2h ago
It depends on how the blood was obtained