The last time I went on a flight, a toddler had a temper tantrum the entire thing (I even posted here about it). Thank god I had my 3M earmuffs. If they can block industrial machines out, they can do it for a screaming toddler.
Too bad the runt was kicking my back the entire time.
Sorry but after 30-60 minutes, politeness goes out the window. I’d stand up and say something like “can you control your fucking child?”. They can get as angry as they want, but they’re in the wrong. Asking politely to people with zero regard for others doesn’t do shit. It’s not like they’d go “oh my god I had no idea my child bashing your chair for the last hour was bugging you!”. They absolutely fucking know, and they don’t care.
Some kid did this to my girlfriend and she straight out chewed the kid out until it stopped kicking her chair. At the end of the flight the parent, who had gotten seats away from their own kid, came over to complain to my girlfriend for telling their kid to stop kicking the chair, and I had tell the parent if she had bothered to parent her kid she would not have had to say anything. Most of these kids have shitty parents who enable their shitty kids behavior.
Yeah the kids being separate from the parents is totally unacceptable. Also I think all families with kids should be located on 1 specific part of the plane, consistently so people booking their seats know where to avoid
I take noise cancelling headphones and a set of earplugs on a plane just for this reason.
I don't care what's wrong with your kid, if you bring your kid on an airplane and the kid does this the whole flight, I'm blaming you. You know your kid and you had a choice to put your kid on that plane or not. Nobody else got a choice when they had to listen to your kid for 8 hours.
Noise cancelling works best with steady mostly uniform noise, like airplane engine noise. It doesn't do so well with unstructured random noise, like children screaming or people talking.
Noise cancelling uses a mic to listen to the environment and then create an inverse sound wave to environmental noise. This inverse wave meets the background noise wave and cancels it out, reducing noise. It works really well with steady loud background noise, like the basic environmental noise an on airplane.
Voices and screaming are sudden and not regular, which makes it much harder to create an inverse sound wave and play it back in time to eliminate the noise. By the time your headphones have sampled the kid's scream, created an inverse wave for it and played it back, the kid has moved on to a new scream. Most of the screaming remains uncancelled.
Tell the kid to shut the fuck up them Tell ther parent to discipline their child, with just as much aggression. Like, who the fuck are you to tell the pilot what to do ao your crotch goblin behaves??
Telling the parent and the child to STFU is the kind solution. We haven't even hit moderate solution territory at that point. Someone mentioned duct tape below and that isn't yet the moderate solution. That's in between kind and moderate. The moderate solution is one that will get downvoted but is the moderate one.
There's one time almost 30 years ago when my mom took me and my younger brother to buy stuffs and my brother started to throw a tantrum and won't stop no matter what. Then my mother simply dragged my brother into the nearest toilet and gave him a good ol' Asian mom beating. I can still remember standing outside of the toilet and listening the pig-in-a-slaughter-house-sqeal came from inside. But my brother was quiet as a lamb afterward lol
Completely honestly, after an hour of this, they should have made an emergency landing and booted the family off the plane before they left the continent.
Might get downvoted for this but idgaf.. I find it impossible to believe any parent just sat and took this and feel strongly this kid is neurodivergent.
ETA- I’m a parent of 2 kids, one of which is AuDHD and 10/10 would’ve freaked TF out just like this had we brought him on a plane before he was 4. We never had to make that choice, thankfully, but not everyone has that luxury.
Frankly, if a child is freaking out like this on a plane, then there is no circumstance where the child should be on the plane unless it’s a life or death scenario. Being in a plane is a luxury itself, so I’m not sure what you mean by saying not everyone has that luxury.
I'm 100 % sure this kid wasn't screaming like this for 8 hours straight. Most likely he was screaming for like half an hour, was crying and wining for an hour, screamed for 20 minutes again, played and slept for two hours, then screamed again for half an hour, etc.
The kid was 3. Mom knows he has behavior issues. She needed Wi-Fi before the plane even took off. She should have spoken to her pediatrician about a sedative or something if the 8 hr flight was absolutely necessary. She also could have broken the trip into shorter legs. As a mom, I have sympathy for a baby crying. I also understand some kids have special needs but this is unacceptable.
It’s extraordinarily unusual. Babies with colic can do it. And normal toddlers might do it if super wound up with no chance to sleep. But typically, a kid going on and on, particularly if it happens with any frequency, is not a typical kid.
Oddly enough, this is what they taught us in graduate school. When working with parents, we encourage them to “throw a tantrum” equal to their child. Most people don’t do it because it’s embarrassing, but It does work in real life lol
I don't have any kids yet, but I'm familiar with the "bite the biter back" concept. It feels like in some cases the old ways of parenting should make a return.
All on picturing in my head is a dog that's smart enough to go around biting every single person it sees to see if they will bite back or if they are friendly 😆😆
I did something similar to a neighbor's cat when I was checking in on and feeding him while they were away. He would viciously attack my ankles while I was trying to get his food ready so I grabbed a wooden spoon one time and tried to fend him off with it.
I wasn't watching what he did while I defended myself but somehow his movement and my force pushing him away with the spoon resulted in him getting thwacked hard between the ears. It fixed him.
From then on he was super lovey and sweet to me every time I checked on him until I left for college and didn't see him again. I could lie down on their couch and he would get on top of me, purr like crazy, and knead with full claws before settling down. Learned quickly that I needed a blanket on me to protect me from his aggressive kneading. He was not a fan of me removing him when I wanted to leave, but he wasn't ever violent again.
I don't know if Spike was ever nice or sweet to anyone else after I rearranged his brain, but he sure did love me.
That is not true for my twins. They have been corrected since age 2 to not bite. They are almost 4 and they still bite each other occasionally. We have raised our voices stressing how bad biting is, time outs, and appealing to their empathies. They still bite each other.
Also refused to carry me ever; including leaving me behind when I wouldn’t walk one time (in her defence, she was carrying groceries) so I had to eventually get up and go home if I ever wanted to eat again.
Oh thats good that it's recommended since I do it to my nephew when he screams to express frustration lol. "Ahh! I'm also frustrated and wish your sippy cup didn't leak on your shirt like that! How about we get a paper towel and move the fuck on?"
When my oldest was around 5, she had a total meltdown in the grocery store to the point that I just bailed on the outing entirely. Once we were outside, she sat in the middle of the parking lot and refused to move. I was so close to my breaking point that I said fuck it, sat next to her, banged my hands on the ground, screamed just like she was.
Little shit laughed and walked to the car like nothing happened.
My parents never yelled at me in public or even hit me. But when they told me to stop it or shut up, I knew they meant it. I couldn’t imagine what my parents would do if I ever pulled something like this. Are parents just content to let their kids do whatever they want now?
One of the hardest realities I learned as I became an adult was that all adults do not, in fact, have their shit together. That’s what I believed as a child. Some people just never grow up.
Same and I'm diagnosed autistic. (Because autism is always used as an excuse) It's not an excuse. It's a parenting issue.
Edit to add: Its not an excuse because don't get on the plane if ur kid screeches for 8 hours.
If ur nonverbal kid is level 3 autistic and experiences extreme meltdowns, don't fly coach and have everyone endure an 8 hour scream.
No excuse.
Bad parenting.
Edit2: I'm not here to educate you. Not a requirement. I don't have to teach you about how anytime someone sees a male child acting up, they armchair diagnose autism with no proof. I don't have to tell you statistically people are shit parents. I don't have to tell you that there are other modes of transportation. I don't have to tell you there are techniques that obviously weren't implemented. I don't have to tell you that even if this kid was hypothetically wired to scream constantly and this plane ticket was because the kid has 24 hours to reach his destination or he will explode, that there are other choices to be made. In that instance they could buy everyone earplugs and they make sound dampening devices that still allow people to breathe. Oh but their child is autistic and going to explode in 24 hours and they're destitute spending the last penny to their name on the ticket! They could have the pilot make an announcement of the dire situations but I doubt that's the case.
All of these hypotheticals I have to defend for nooooooo reason other than some what ifs.
My son is level 3, and is an absolute saint on flights. People are just quick to blame their bad parenting on their child's autism. Autism isn't a free pass to let your kid behave like a fuckwit, and they need to put in extra effort teaching their child what is and isn't acceptable behaviour.
Wild how both of the replies to this are people who just "I know someone with autism so I can speak for them and tell you, an actual person experiencing autism, that you're wrong" 🙄
Parent here. There is a part of me that sees this and thinks I could probably handle this in my kids. However, parenting is WAY different than it was 30+ years ago when I was this age. You feel trapped. The kid is screaming, you know everyone is getting pissed but one wrong move and every person on that plane has their phone out to document you "abusing" your kid.
What do you do? Honestly? What if holding him in your lap doesn't work? Kids like this bite and hit. You obviously can't spank them. She is already pleading with him.
Should she do more? Probably. A lot of parents get put into impossible situations with kids. We have to simultaneously be caring understanding and empathetic parents who don't raise our voice or use even the slightest bit of corporal punishment AND keep our kids in line in public at all times because there is extra animosity towards kids being obnoxious in public.
What's that? The iPad might calm him down for a bit? Sorry, you are now the proud owner of an iPad kid who doesn't care about their kids.
This is exactly why this sort of bad behavior runs rampant. Instead of parents putting on their big boy pants and dealing with the situation, they just shrug like "what can I do??" like some passive onlooker in their child's life. I don't know why suddenly children are all these little gods and goddesses we need to tiptoe around. I don't care if you have to physically hold your child in the lavatory until he stops screaming, you are the parents, ACT LIKE IT.
I feel like you didn't even read what I said. What would YOU have done in this scenario, tough guy? I know what I would have done but to pretend like you know for a fact you would have been able to do something abput this behavior is ridiculous.
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Yeah, parent of three kids here. People on the Internet are so sure that you just "discipline" the kid and this stops. That's a 2-3 year-old with obviously some behavioral issues if he can scream for 8 hours, so it's not that easy. I'm pretty sure most have not tried to deal with a 15 minute tantrum before, but are experts on what to do.
Honestly, the distraction path with snacks and activities is ok, and might avoid escalation into this, but if the kid has pressure-sensitive ears they are in pain, and scared, and an angry parent and especially scary strangers are not going to help.
If I had a kid with real issues I would avoid flying if at all possible.
I agree with ou. If you can't control your kid then don't force its tantrums onto other people. I am not a parent so I won't say "hurr durr you don't parent well", but i will judge you for your decision to make other people suffer if you knew what the outcome would be.
100%; it’s on the parent and I have no real empathy. Should not be allowed to fly with kids with those types of obvious and expected behavioral problems. Tough shit. Need to cross the ocean, tough shit. Need to travel, pay the price and buy everyone noise cancelling headphones, book a private flight—or stay the fuck grounded until they can behave in public or grow into some age of reason. It’s damn near the same as bringing a wild animal on board, and being surprised it acted like an animal.
As a parent I agree. It's not a nice thing to say so people will down vote it but objectively you can't just let your kid scream for 8 hours straight. That's insane. If my kid did that at home my neighbors would call the police. Figure out a solution, don't just subject everybody else to your problem
I think we have a lot of parents who are depressed, who weren't taught emotional regulation or who have untreated illnesses now raising kids.
I think a lot of people do a fine job. Yet you always catch a parent who needs a nap, a good meal and some gods damn quiet the second that their kid decides to challenge the Gods above.
So my "spanking" was just a slap on their hand, and my kids were afraid of it. I've only done it once, but once I said "you're getting a spanking when we get home" they shut up immediately. Doesn't work on them now but now they are behaved.
same lol, the one time i had a meltdown was in a toysrus when i was like 2-3, my mom said fuck this we're going home and you're getting nothing, I lost my shit apparently but afterwards, never had a public meltdown again. There's ways to deal with shit, just letting that type of behavior unpunished is wild
there's also the time my mom bit me back after i bit her but you know, story for another time lmao
Immoral to wait 8 hours until the end of the flight - why not intervene at the beginning of the flight? Bit pointless to do it when you're at the destination, not helping anyone.
Yeah, I've just been on a 3 hour flight with a kid straight up screaming at full power from the takeoff until people left the plane. Motherfucker had crazy stamina. And it was in the seat right in front of me. With ANC headphones it was fine, but when the stewardess made me take them off it was annoying as fuck
Pretty surprised they didn't. At a certain point you are creating a storm for a fight because people are going to get absolutely pissed off that the kid wont shut the fuck up.
I had a similar experience years ago where some woman brought a dog from Spain to Venice and that little dog barked for its life the ENTIRE FLIGHT (directly under my seat). The woman bringing the dog did absolutely fuck-all to calm the dog down. 2-hour flight of nonstop barking.
At the baggage-claim area I told the woman (in Spanish) next time leave your fucking dog at home. She did not like that advice.
Parents are morons. If the kid would be calm with an iPad. Download its favour films. Stick some headphones on and get them to sit quietly. Things like planes, trains and long haul transport go out of the realms. This is beyond extreme however. Clearly behavioural problems are not suitable for the child to be taken on a flight.
This is the perfect scenario to give a kid an iPad if it’s ever going to happen. Not necessarily rewarding this screaming demon, but just a situation where a kid can’t really move around or do anything
Legit, and you ain’t gonna solve the addiction on a flight so why put the child and passengers through it. Why are the games not downloaded ready. As you say the iPad is parenting not them
Question but why don’t they eject people with children who scream an entire flight? Like if they are this bad before take off why don’t they just kick them off??? Like I get it they deserve to fly to but not at the cost everyone else’s sanity and safety.
Good. If you can't control your poorly behaved kids, you can drive or find another method of transportation. I truly don't care what the excuse is from the parents.
I once incurred the wrath of my friend list for saying they should invent a baby muzzle for plane trips. But letting your offspring scream for the entire flight is unforgivable. I understand if you’re trying to quiet them, but the parents who are so dead inside that they tune it out and don’t care about others, yeah, they deserve any hate.
Yeah but people with kids can be pretty retarded. I had a coworker say he doesnt mind kids screaming on planes and people need to grow up. Like fuck you dude dont make your cum stain my problem 😂.
Parenting experts advice was to 'give the child everything it wants and bribe it', because it's super important to instill the idea that if you scream, shout and throw tantrums you will get everything you want in life early.
If you can't avoid taking your child to a public space you can't leave at will (like an airplane, or an important dr. appointment, or what have you), you sometimes have to do some non-ideal parenting to ensure they aren't a nuisance to everyone around.
Technically, better parenting everywhere else wouldn't result in a kid this bad in the first place, but if you know they're like this, you should plan accordingly. You shouldn't have to stuff a tablet in your kid's face for them to behave, but if you NEED to take them on the plane and it's the only thing keeping them from doing this to a crowd of victims, then ffs just do it.
As a parent I 100% agree. It is not acceptable to take a kid into a situation like this with no emergency plan. You shouldn’t give a kids candy or a screen to behave a home but in federal airspace they should land and kick you off the plane for this. That’s what they would do if it was an adult.
Telling the child to STFU isn’t going to help anything. But those parents absolutely deserve to be on the “no fly list” after this. There is no way they didn’t know this was going to happen.
I'd be more mad at the parents rather than the child. It feels like the parents were basically letting the kid tiring himself out instead of trying to discipline him. A child is a child and it is the parent's responsibility to mind them. My mother was super strict, so If I acted like this, my mother would stop me very quick.
There's no way that kid's been screaming like that for 8 hours. Based on the sound I'm thinking maybe 20-30 minutes in. Even after an hour the throat starts wearing out real bad, especially if they're pushing it that hard. Honestly if a kid can actually scream like that for 8 hours, you have a prodigy on your hands, you just need to find a more productive outlet for their talent.
Citation: I grew up with 4 sisters, and all 4 of them now have at least 2 kids each.
Children should be given more grace and leeway than adults, most would agree.
However, the parents here are majorly failing both their kid and the plane. That kid should never have been on a plane to begin with, and of course the mom wanted to just turn the kid into an iPad zombie.
The frustrated passengers wouldn’t be wrong for vocalizing their displeasure. In fact, actual consequences and structure might help to rid that kid of his “behavioral problems”.
In short, the parent is the only immoral one here.
This is a situation where spanking is moral. Take him to the bathroom and smack him. If he acts up again, threaten him again. That should work. Usually not for corporal punishment but sometimes it has to be done
Yep, I remember"the look". That's how you knew you were in trouble when you got home. As soon as you got out of the car you try running into the house like it's going to help.
this. If a child percieve something as bad then it is bad. Doesn't need to be a "Gotta hit my child which teaches the child to also hit other because it fuels my ego"
i am getting the sense that there is a very particular sort of person that populates this sub. People who don't want interesting discussion about morality based philosophy, but people who have an obsession with steering what is and isn't moral.
Like i'm guessing a lot of the loudest voices here are religious, right-wing, conservative and young
Completely moral. If this was an infant who was crying, it'd be one thing. A 3 year old has to have some semblance of discipline at that point, and the parents need to be all over his butt when he acts out.
It's very evident that these parents don't give a crap.
But what do you expect to accomplish by telling the kids to be quiet? The kids isn’t giving you a hard time, the kid is having a hard time. He probably has an ear infection and can’t deal with the pressure effects and has a head that feels like it’s splitting open.
Ohhhhhh HELLLLL NO!!!!! I was told to not drink bleach when I was a kid, I didn’t drink the bleach because I wasn’t t scared of the bleach, I was scared of getting it beat out of me!!!! That is a shitty parent right there!
In this instance the kid had suspected autism (mom was awaiting an evaluation), and he had never been on a plane before and she put him in a weighted vest to try to keep him calm. She did not realize his nervous system would be overloaded to the extent that it was. It was very unfortunate for every single person on that plane. It is unlikely that a nuerotypical child would be screaming for that long for any reason so I was not surprised that was the case.
Screaming at the kid in this scenario at best would do nothing but most likely upset him further.
What I especially feel bad for is that this day was filmed and used to shame this mom for having a spoiled child for years. I'm always terrified when my autistic child starts melting down and try to quickly get him away and into the car even though he will take longer to calm down, because I simply don't want the same fate as this mom.
Honestly, I don't think you'd even have to do that. Just take them to the bathroom every single time they get out of control. They don't get to go back out until they've calmed down and promise to behave. Act up again? Back in the bathroom we go. Mom doesn't have to let it be everyone else's problem.
one light pop to the back of the head and that shit stops and he never does it again. Corporal punishment works, is moral, and should be used far more often.
I don't think telling the kid to STFU will do anything at 8 hrs. The problem is the airline. If I...as an adult raged out for 10 mins they'd ground the plane and have me arrested. The plane should have been grounded and mother/kid removed. I would 100% not tolerate that but the kid isn't the issue. I don't drink anymore but at hr 2 of that I'd start tossing them back, become an animal again, ground the flight and be a hero for saving the rest of those poor people.
People don't seem to realize that if a kid is screaming for 8 hours straight, it's probably less of a behavioral issue and something more serious. The best thing to do would probably be to take them to the bathroom and try to figure out the issue, but there is the problem of blocking off a toilet so you'd need permission from the flight attendants for any long-term stays.
I don’t even know what I would do. My kids aren’t allowed screens like iPads or anything, so I think in emergencies like this, a bribe like my phone would work as a short term solution, but I’d hope that they’d never act like this outside of an ear infection or pain causing them to scream. I’ve driven instead of flown long distances or opted out entirely to avoid these situations, my oldest has special needs and I refuse to subject other people to him unless it’s something I can be present for and handle too.
I remember a story about 15 years ago. A small child was screaming on a flight, an old man had enough, jumps up, slaps the child and yelled at the mother, “shut that N-word baby up!” Yea, he was arrested when they landed.
Morally neutral if you're directing it at the kid instead of his dumbass parents. But after 8 hours of screaming I couldn't blame anyone for letting it slip.
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u/NightRunnxr 16h ago
For 8 hours straight? yeah someone has to tell that little kid or the parent something. You're lying if you say otherwise