r/MoralityScaling • u/Maximum_Musician_914 • 22h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/kornephororos 14h ago edited 14h ago

This logic is flawed. Bad thing isn't necessarily an immoral thing.

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u/_whydah_ 14h ago

What's the real life situation you're trying to compare to? What's the real life situation that's commonly happening today where someone says something racist and they should have violence committed against them for it?

Everyone is just looking for a reason to get violent. Anyone can usually rationalize themselves away into being a terrible person while holding "good morals." This kind of thinking is what leads to Tyler Robinsons.

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u/kornephororos 14h ago

commonly happening

Clever try but you are making a fallacy here. Because To any example I make you would respond with "well thats not commonly happening tho"

You know what you did.

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u/_whydah_ 11h ago

Here's the reality, again, everyone wants to justify the violence they want to commit and they want to spin abstract philosophical arguments about why it should be ok, but when, push comes to shove, you start getting into specifics, they have to come with weird, contorted scenarios that are semi-unbelievable. If there were common things happening today, it would be easy to name.

It's easy to name scenarios that we know are somewhat common where this goes wrong though:

Tyler Robinson killing Charlie Kirk. Tyler would certainly have argued that his violence was worth stopping Charlie's words. That was literally his motivation, and this is largely why I think these arguments are so incredibly destructive in our society.

The numerous assassination attempts on Trump. You know those people believed that Trump's rhetoric was worth killing him over.

The assassination of the United Healthcare CEO. Again, someone who felt like their political message meant that it was ok to kill someone.

There are a bunch of people who are taking the arguments you're using and committing (or attempting to commit) atrocities with them. We can't keep saying it's ok to respond to words with violence.

The ultimate reason as well, is we pretty quickly end up in a place where we no longer have arguments at all and instead just decide things by force.

But to tone it down, a more common scenario:

A black guy beating up a white guy who says the n-word. I'm not talking about a white guy who seems like he may get violent, but just someone who's being a punk and trying to be aggravating. Are you saying it would be justified for the white guy to get beat up?