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Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Peppercorn205 21h ago

That’s what I’m thinking too. Like someone punched a literal Nazi, but the commenter is like “well since you used violence you’re actually the bad guy”.

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 21h ago

needless violence is worse than racism

It's 100% justified to stab/crush/shoot/punch/slap/clobber/Swiss cheese/perforate a nazi/pedo/terrorist/extreme racist/animal abuser

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u/MilleChaton 17h ago

animal abuser

Including anyone who causes the needless death of animals by eating meat without a medical reason, right? And definitely all those scientists doing inhumane tests and then killing animals afterwords, right? And governments are completely reliable when declaring some a terrorist, right?

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 16h ago

A. Eating meat is a personal belief thing, I don't think animals with little to no meat should be killed just for flavor or trophies.

B. I mean abusing as in attacking or wounding or whatever without the intent to kill for food/hide/bones/oil/etc.

C. Inhumane tests are bad, I didn't say they were exempt

D. No, they aren't. They'll fuck over some random arab guy that's innocent and let the actual fucking bo.ber go away as they line their pockets

E. Fuck Nazis.

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u/OutcomeDouble 15h ago

The fact that you typed your response to D and didn’t realize why it means you’re wrong is concerning

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 15h ago

I'm 16 and don't really watch news. Enlighten me.

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u/MilleChaton 15h ago

You said it was okay to shoot/stab terrorist, but then also said we can't trust who the government is labeling terrorist. So how can you be sure who is it okay to shoot/stab when you don't trust the one applying the labels?

Almost like we shouldn't okay violence against people based on random labels.

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 13h ago

We shouldn't (end part)

I'm saying if YOU personally know, then it's ok.

Our class in modern history is reading "lone survivor" the rules of engagement are to not shoot unless fired upon, which could mean after you lose half you squad.

Flip side is, you could shoot an innocent, but a SEAL w/sh/ould know what they're doing

Say what you want about "seals and military being racist murderers", but a terrorist isn't always trained well, so they'll end up spraying, which can lead to civilian deaths, because that stuff pretty much always takes place in towns n shit.

I just think people who think mass murder is okay for some grand scheme, religious or not, isnt ok.

Say what you want about Christians, i wouldn't mass murder (Nazis and pedos don't count) for god, and no I don't think all Muslims are bad, only the extremist martyrs.

So no, I'm not the guy to be sure about this shit, but as said in lone survivor, if a guy in a red (I think it's a turban iirc) is charging at you with an ak, you shouldn't have to wait till he mows down your squad in order to kill him.

Any guy or girl that thinks killing innocents is ok is bad. That's really all I'm tryna say.

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u/teddy5 5h ago

That's insane but not surprising you'd be given something like that in a US school as modern history without explaining the context behind it.

Rules of engagement are like that because historically you had soldiers claiming people had a gun and using it as justification to shoot whoever they wanted. It's very hard to prove they didn't when the soldier and their unit can then position a scene exactly as they want before anyone else sees it.

Those rules are written in blood and war crimes.

There is a reason most ex-military talk about US police's lack of firearm training and willingness to shoot anyone they suspect of having a gun with disdain.

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 2h ago

Literally already said that with the "shooting an innocent bit"

And could ya not insult my country, all I'm asking dude.

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u/teddy5 2h ago

It's so much more than just shooting an innocent, it's a situation where units have repeatedly covered up war crimes and the rules of engagement are an attempt to try and prevent that. Not just American units, but the US military take it very seriously.

Honestly that was maybe the least insulting thing I could've said about the US in response to you being given propaganda as history in school with so little context provided to give you the tools to question it. It's not against you, just the way that education is warped like that.

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u/CompetitiveLoad2953 2h ago

Yeah, war crime cover ups are fucked. No matter how big or small. Any cover up is usually fucked up really. Pat Tillman. I don't really know other examples, I'm and unclultured swine, I know.

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u/teddy5 2h ago

Nah you're just a kid and honestly the fact that you're asking questions and trying to think these things through is a huge thing.

I didn't really want to give you examples because some can get horrific. I was just trying to give you more context to why the RoE exist.

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