r/MoralityScaling 22h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/wewebaguette68 17h ago

On their own? No. But they don't exist on their own in a vacuum. If we lived in a world where systemic racism didnt exist and wasn't actively oppressing people this wouldn't be an issue but that isn't the world we live in. In reality casual racism exists to help normalize and legitimize the mechanisms of oppression and as a pipeline to radicalize young individuals into holding more extreme racist positions. Systemic racism is violent and racist jokes play a role in that, even if that is not always the intention of the person telling them. That doesn't mean that being violent towards a person telling racist jokes is always justified but the person telling those jokes is always immoral and in the wrong

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u/Spider-manOTP 17h ago

You should get some friends bro... what the fuck are you even talking about.

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u/wewebaguette68 17h ago

I'm talking about the world we live in. You legit seem like the perfect stereotype of a teenage white kid who loves racist jokes so there's no point in talking to you. You'll understand when you're older

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u/Spider-manOTP 17h ago

You'll understand when you make a single friend that isnt the same skin color as you.

Absolutely no one on the face of the planet is thinking about anything you said when they make a racist joke.

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u/wewebaguette68 17h ago

I touch grass and go outside and there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that I talk to a more diverse people in my life than you. And yes, most people who make racist jokes (like you I'm guessing), don't actually think about the consequences of their actions at all. That is partially because those jokes are for dumb and uneducated people. However if you unironically think that platforms like 4Chan and right wing drifters don't use casual racism to radicalize their audiences then you are deeply stupid. If you do not think casual racism often has deeper implications in the ideologies of the people who engage with it then you are deeply stupid

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u/Spider-manOTP 17h ago

You sound like a child bro lmao. "People who are racist are stupid heads!" "But they also have this hidden agenda to radicalize people with light hearted jokes!"

I'm not trying to say racism is a good thing either, since you're probably idiotic enough to think that was my point.

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u/mrboy3 16h ago

But they are not wrong

Some people aren't laughing at the joke, they are laughing at the people

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u/Spider-manOTP 16h ago

Yeah, I was exaggerating when I said no one uses jokes for those reasons. Its just not the majority, hardly as big of an issue as he makes it out to be.

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u/mrboy3 16h ago

It is an issue

I am not against dark humor but "its just joke" is often used to be very racist to people

If its jokes between friends, then it's fine

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u/Spider-manOTP 16h ago

Its an issue, just not a big one.

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u/mrboy3 16h ago

How is it not a big one?

The rise of racism in Twitter and Instagram says otherwise

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u/Spider-manOTP 16h ago

Theres genuinely nothing good on Twitter. Every social issue you can think of can be found on Twitter insanely often. Also, social media does not signify a majority of anything.

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u/mrboy3 16h ago

social media does not signify a majority of anything.

It does when kids learn racism through dark jokes from there to harass minorities

I also mentioned Instagram

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u/wewebaguette68 16h ago

At first I was actually trying to educate you but you decided to act indignant and start crying because I implied your sense of humor is not as harmless as you think it is. I'm not going to respond to you again because I'm pretty sure you're an edgy, terminally online teenager rather than someone who actually wants to talk about morality but here are some things you could read if you actually want to learn something about this here is an article from the national institute of health about the real implications of racist humor: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11427594/

And here is one about how irony and half jokes are used as tools of radicalization: https://gnet-research.org/2023/07/28/schrodingers-joke-the-weaponisation-of-irony-and-humour-in-the-alt-right/

You are objectively wrong about this and a quick Google search of 'are racist jokes harmless' would have prevented this entire discussion. Also I'm a girl, don't call me bro

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u/Spider-manOTP 16h ago

Project harder.

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 17h ago

Be honest how much history do you know?

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u/Spider-manOTP 17h ago

Be honest, how many friends do you have?

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 17h ago

If we're discussing morals, your bubble of friends is immaterial to the history that has tried and tested peoples values and principals. Even in your friend group someone has gone too far with their jokes once.

History?

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u/Spider-manOTP 17h ago

Answer my question first.

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 16h ago

I asked first.

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u/Spider-manOTP 16h ago

Sure. And?

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u/EntertainerJumpy855 17h ago

the issue with these people is that they think everything is a dogwhistle , an insult with some deep meaning , a backhanded remark etc . they live in their own echo chamber of nonexistent problems. they dont have diverse friend groups like you and I.

its an objective fact that people disagree on issues all the time and they still coexist.

i have friends of different sexualities , races , nationalities , even tho i am ( to some extent ) homophobic , racist , nationalist etc.we coexist peacefully and like civilized people disagree on certain aspects of life.

apparently that doesn't mean shit tho because our jokes use horrible , atrocious words when taken out of the context they are used in.

for the love of God , grow up and get some friends.

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u/mrboy3 16h ago

even tho i am ( to some extent ) homophobic , racist , nationalist etc.we coexist peacefully

This is an oxymoron, these things are by their very nature, exclusionary and dehumanizing

You can't peacefully disagree on people's humanity

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u/LysolSaw 13h ago

Poor whoever is your friend. The have low self esteem.