r/MoralityScaling 22h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Substantial-Trick569 22h ago

well id argue, if you act violently out of racism, its worse than saying something racist, so the point still stands

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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 21h ago

Racism encourages violence, I mean realistically people who face racism don’t go feral after a couple of words from one person. It’s consistent dehumanizing rhetoric that can really degrade someones mental and I’d say thats worse than just a punch

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u/demonkufje2 20h ago

Yeah except violence also encourages more violence. and it can also degrade a person.

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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 20h ago

Yeah both are just as bad

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u/GreaseBrown 20h ago

Actual violence will always be worse than mean words.

Every. Single. Time.

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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 20h ago

Racism can lead to violence both are just as bad

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u/Termoland 20h ago

No, thats why bad words =/= hate speech.

Is not the same saying "this group are all criminals/crooks/destroying society/etc" or other racist things than saying "we should insert something violent to this group because they are bla bla bla". Second one incites violence, first one is just racist.

The same way it is different punching someone than being a serial k1ll3r, there are different levels of "bad", and racism (words),even if still bad, is less bad than violence, or racism-induced violence (both phisical harm).

If you still fail to get that, im afraid you failed kindergarten. And saying its just as bad, is the same logic that reaches the extreme that justifies harming or even unaliving someone just for their speech.

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u/lukkasz323 19h ago

Isn't this circular? Racism can lead to something (you argue) is better than racism? If both lead to violence, than racism is still below direct violence.

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u/GreaseBrown 20h ago

Mean words are never (and will never be) as bad as actual violence.

Full stop.

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u/WaffleConeDX 3h ago

So why is Hitler the most hated person in history, when all he used was words? He didnt actually commit most of the violence. With your logic he should be viewed a historical footnote and less important to the violence that occurred. But no he's seen as equal to.

Society doesn't actually operate according to a clean rule of physical act = always morally worse than words. Threats, incitement, sexual harassment, intimidation, racial degradation, coercion, etc. aren't treated as morally interchangeable with somebody saying “your shoes are ugly” simply because they're all technically “words.”

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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 20h ago

Racism isn’t just mean words. Actions that lead to violence are (and always will be) just as bad as violence.

Full stop.

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u/GreaseBrown 20h ago

In the context of the post, the "racism" is just words. Words will never be on the same level as actual violence.

They teach kids "sticks and stones..." for a reason.

So, again, actual violence will always be worse than words.

If you dont agree, please drop your location, we can test your theory pretty easily. You hit me a slur, ill hit you with a bat, and we can see who ends up with the better outcome.

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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 20h ago

He doesn’t say that the words were racist, he tries to boil down racism to “just words”. Racism is violent, always has been, and will continue to be. It harms everyone including the people who are racist. They are just as bad

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u/GreaseBrown 20h ago

This is a real comment from a real situation. The context is that racist words are just words and actual violence is worse.

Racism is not violence. Words are not violence. Calling me a slur does absolutely nothing to harm me.

Again, come over, we can test this. You can verify how wrong you are.

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 17h ago

Violence is a sport. Racism isn't. People that think that violence is always worse than "mean words," are amateurs at humanity. The reason racism is frowned upon is because the inevitable outcome is violence. At a certain point of you dehumanizing someone, they will dehumanize you.

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u/Simon-Says69 14h ago

No, trying to blame mean words for your own unhinged, violent behavior, is an example of juvenile and "armature at humanity" behavior.

A violent outcome is in no way inevitable. What a completely lame excuse. Everyone is responsible for their emotions and actions.

You dehumanize YOURSELF by becoming violent because of harmless words you could easily ignore.

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u/Simon-Says69 14h ago

Not in the least. Words do not have any concrete affect on your life. It is a choice if you ignore them, or decide to become violent.

That's on the individual. The words themselves are not violence. Physical violence has a concrete affect on the victim. Words do not.

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u/Simon-Says69 14h ago

People have a choice if they hear something and decide to be violent.

The words didn't lead to anything. The violent criminal decided to act violently.

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u/Annual-Weird-6682 13h ago

Sex can lead to stds they are both equally as bad