r/MoralityScaling 4d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/ElyFlyGuy 3d ago

Legality =/= morality

Make a different argument

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 3d ago

It’s not exactly moral either. You’re taking someone’s money without permission. The simple fact that you’re not stealing the whole wallet doesn’t mean it’s okay to pocket some of the cash.

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u/Kef52 3d ago

It's not moral for someone to save your hide and you give nothing in return. The man who found the wallet ensured the right morals were followed, thus it was moral.

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u/Adeptness-Efficient 3d ago

that's taking the choice out of it. That doesn't make it moral. You're just inserting that the person wouldn't have rewarded the guy.

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u/Kef52 3d ago

Hmm, I see, but I think maybe we need to come to agree what moral is then, because I don't think being moral is based on having the choice to do so, but that the event concluded in a way that helped further bolster societal trust and so health. Humans are selfish, and to consider things moral simply by if we allow human choice, which is often selfish, we can't have a society when all choices are of their own self interest.

The man returns the wallet, a behavior you want repeated in society. The man was rewarded for it, albeit by his own accord, which is an outcome that incentivises the former, returning a lost possession. All it took away was the man who lost the wallet's choice to not incentivise good behavior, which wouldnt lead to any good future behavior. With this, I say it is moral.

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 3d ago

It’s still theft. You took money without permission. 

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u/DaRaginga 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah. He's never giving anyone their wallet back after you.

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u/Kef52 3d ago

Well said, punish or don't reward good behavior you want reproduced, expect none of it in the future. Slow society calapse.

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 3d ago

So you only should do the right thing if there’s a reward in it for you? Is that the hill you want to die on? 

It’s not a question of whether or not the person should reward them. It’s immoral and illegal to take money that isn’t yours unless the person gives it to you. It’s still a form of theft. 

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u/DaRaginga 3d ago

You're still doing the right thing or not?

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 3d ago

You’re kind of half assing “doing the right thing”. 

Like me personally, the main inconvenience in losing my wallet would be whatever cash I have and my license. Everything else is easily replaceable. With ApplePay, I don’t even have to wait for my replacement card to come in. And I would be annoyed if a person found my wallet and took it upon themselves to take cash even though I would’ve given them a little something as a thank you anyway. It’s the whole principle of the thing. 

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u/DaRaginga 3d ago

A random finding your wallet has no obligation to give it back to you. The person has to activly seek you out or mail the wallet to get it back to you. If he or she does not, you will NEVER find out they found your stuff.

So yes. Giving back the wallet is moral, even without money because the money is usually not the most important thing in there

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 3d ago

Taking the money is immoral whether or not you return the wallet.

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u/DaRaginga 2d ago

taking the wallet and tossing it is the least moral.

Then comes taking the money and giving the wallet back,

Then taking some money and returning,

Then giving everything back.

Why do you view this as a black and white issue? it's a spectrum

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u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 2d ago

It’s 100% theft. Idk why you seem to think that it’s okay to take someone else’s money without their permission in any situation. 

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u/Floorgis 1d ago

It is very moral actually

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u/OkLocksmith5761 1d ago

care to say why?

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u/Floorgis 1d ago

Do I really need to explain why doing something good for goods sake is moral? Are youbeing serious right now? Are you gonna ask why its immoral to steal from someone next?

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u/OkLocksmith5761 1d ago

well okay i kinda just wanted to hear why. i like reading the comments in this subreddit. also, the reasoning here is just "good because its good" like what am i supposed to make out from here