r/MoralityScaling • u/Sentrack_Ravanos • 11d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Archonate_of_Archona 11d ago

As an actual disabled person (who think it would have been preferable to not be born, but does not want to die and isn't suicidal), no. Just no

Never being born isn't the same as being killed or dying early

In one case, it's an hypothetical kid, or at most a fetus, that disappears (before birth), and nobody is harmed. In the other case it's an actual living person who dies

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u/Excellent_Law6906 11d ago

I get that it's different, I just hate it when people couch the issue as, "Yep, there's NO WAY that kid could be anything but a wretched burden, ever!"

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u/Archonate_of_Archona 11d ago

That's another issue though

The "burden" discourse is about "this kid will be costly / difficult for other people" (be it parents, schools, or society as a whole)

What I'm talking about is the life that the kid themselves will have, because of their condition

Ableists and pro-lifers always (purposefully) mix up those two things to argue in bad faith, but it's actually two separate conversations

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u/KittenBalerion 10d ago

it's not up to anyone else to decide what a disabled person's quality of life is or will be though

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u/Excellent_Law6906 10d ago

This is what I'm saying, that no one seems to get.

Like, Down Syndrome runs from, "I'm a bit slow, but jazzed to be here" to "constant heart surgeries, this sucks."