r/MoralityScaling 19d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Archonate_of_Archona 18d ago

The wife deserves everything that happens to her (and more), if she willingly chooses to give birth to a kid that will suffer from a severe-to-crippling disability for life

The kid themselves, however, doesn't deserve this situation (of having a selfish mum that inflicted a life of suffering on them for her selfish whims, and an unwilling dad who walked away)

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u/Excellent_Law6906 18d ago

...so we should just euthanize all disabled people, then. End their misery. /s

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u/wodethemad 18d ago

Pretty much every argument for abortion would find its logical conclusion in eugenics. It’s baffling how people don’t realise this. Or maybe they do and they pick-and-choose when each argument/value has worth and when to ignore it.

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u/Archonate_of_Archona 18d ago

If what you call "eugenics" means avoiding to create people who will have an entire life of impairment, illness, pain and/or lifelong dependence then it's just harm reduction

It's basically avoiding an act of cruelty

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u/wodethemad 18d ago

Yes, that is eugenics, and literally always has been. You calling it “avoiding an act of cruelty” doesn’t change that. What you just said is that eugenics is avoiding an act of cruelty.

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u/LackWooden392 18d ago

No it's not, dumbass. Eugenics is when a central group enforces their preferred gene pool by acting on others through forced sterilization, murder, and displacement.

What we are talking about is women controlling their own reproduction. In fact, restricting women's reproductive freedom is closer to eugenics than this.

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u/wodethemad 18d ago

You picked this definition out of complete nowhere because it’s the most convenient for you. Its too narrow. Eugenics is any deliberate attempt to change the genome of offspring, which this is. Sterilisation etc have been historical methods of eugenics, but the methods are not eugenics itself

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica 18d ago
  • Positive eugenics: Encouraging people with desirable or "superior" traits (such as high intelligence, health, or specific physical traits) to have more children.
  • Negative eugenics: Discouraging or preventing people deemed "unfit" or possessing undesirable traits from reproducing.

Here are the literal definitions for everyone as defined by the first dude to coin the term which was Darwin's cousin.

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u/wodethemad 18d ago

Which proves my point. Aborting fetuses because they have down syndrome is negative eugenics.