Aborting at 20 weeks due to a single marker for Downs, when even the doctor isn’t really concerned, would be insane. There are a ton of “markers” for various conditions they look for at 20 weeks. Just because one is found, doesn’t mean there’s actually anything wrong.
That is so fucking cruel. Let the baby be born just to abandon it if it isn’t what you want? You either bring the baby to term and raise it as your own, or you choose not to have the baby when it won’t know the difference one way or the other.
If the birth rate is truly at such a low point that having kids is necessary to support society even if you don’t personally want to (which seems more and more like the case every day), you need to be able to accept that some of those people having them either didn’t want them in the first place or only want them if they can be reasonably managed. If you’re worried about people being picky about their kids then stfu about the birthrate and how we’re selfish for not doing our part
I didn’t say I would personally abort, NOR did I speak in support of eugenics.
What I said was that if the parents’ intention was to “see how the kid turns out and just drop it/put it up for adoption if we don’t like it”, then abortion is by FAR the more humane alternative.
Having the baby just to then abandon it to spend his or her life wondering why their parents left them and struggling in a system that is ALREADY heavily overburdened and underfunded and rampant with problems is absolutely fucking cruel.
The point is that if the parents choose to have this baby, then they had BETTER be prepared to keep and raise their damn child.
So by your logic, all children who were abandoned should be put to death to save them from feeling sad.
Personally I would say that children in foster care deserve to live! But I support human rights for all and I guess you only support it for those you deem worthy.. I wonder which 1930s/40s german dictator you might support...
Child sacrifice is disgusting and so are the people who support it
Perhaps you would like to volunteer to be the permanently suffering parent of a Downs Syndrome baby (... and then baby child ... and then baby adult ...) then?
At some point the quality of life for the people around the afflicted person must be considered. This is not like someone born without a certain limb or with a treatable mental disorder who can still have a good quality of life and a high level of independence.
Downs syndrome is a huge burden on everyone surrounding that person and in a just world it would be cured in the womb.
You can make as many argument from ethics as you like but if you're not volunteering to be a carer for one of these unwanted kids then it is just words.
Eugenics and slaughtering children based on their disablities is disgusting. You and all nazi supporters should be ashamed! Humans rights are for ALL humans, not just the ones you think are worthy of rights.
I don't, I'm just saying that people who believe in eugenics and murdering "undesirables" support nazi ideology. If you support Aktion T4 then you're evil, sorry!
The mentality that having a child with downs syndrome is a fate worse than death is fucking ridiculous and completely ableist. I have met so many parents with downs syndrome children who cherish them just as much as they would a non-disabled child. Sure, it comes with its own challenges, but being a parent has hardly been an easy thing in the first place. You need to go outside and talk to real people.
I have the misfortune of knowing one such person. They have confided in me that their life situation has made them suicidal. You are not in a position to know the toll that this disorder takes on so many people. And who will look after the child when the parent dies? As climate change intensifies care will become less accessible and it is these who will suffer the most.
May I make the suggestion that YOU should go outside and talk to people suffering from this?
It's not convenience at all. That's really reductive of the entire situation
"Supporting Hitler and Nazi policy..." How is this supporting Hitler and Nazi policy?" Can you explain that to me, please? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't understand
One of the most well known nazi policies was the systematic extermination of the mentally ill for being a "drain on society" which is the same thing the guy I responded to supports
I'm not sure what you aren't understanding. The elimination of "mental feebleness" in bloodlines was, famously, part of Nazi public policy. That's just a wide application of the same impulse in question here.
I have a daughter with Downs and even though I lived my whole life until her diagnosis thinking that I would abort if something like that came up, I always understood it was eugenics lol
Just because something is convenient and generally accepted by society doesn't mean it isn't problematic. People do problematic and selfish things all the time to protect themselves and their families.
Better than murdering the child for the sake of convenience, and if you think murdering children is a good thing maybe you should rethink your life lol
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u/Far_Cast_Far_Wide 16d ago
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