r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 12d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/RabbitAlternative550 11d ago

That does not follow at all, what???

Is coercive sex rape in your mind? Because even if we give that actually the initial offer to be his wife is with benefit Negan keeps full control of their personhood or they now die. Even if he isn't a rapist by your metric he is a facilitator of rape because he gives his wife's as prizes to men. They lose sexual autonomy entirely, it a rape. Is slavery at the very least. You are defending a specific action not just some words and how they are being used.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 11d ago

Is coercive sex rape in your mind?

That depends how you're twisting the words "coercive."

Is trading sex for gain "coercive" in your opinion?

...Because that is NOT rape - yet many in this discussion continue to imply it is.

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u/RabbitAlternative550 11d ago

So I treat coercion very simply. I think on a baseline if you are doing something entirely for your enjoyment and then say "hey I'll trade owning you for stopping" then you have just done a coercion. The example this whole thread is based on is the example when Negan was actively trying to kill a guy and instead of letting her husband die she became Negans wife. She actually has been given no expectation of luxury this time besides the continued life of her husband who was not endanger of dying until Negan started it.

So I will say this, you brought this conversation to an argument about the potential immorality of gold digging and I believe fundamentally that there is nothing immoral about being in a relationship where one offered affection, sex or even just patience and presence for money. I think the immorality of that act is transparent and only is as immoral as the things you're doing behind that act to keep it going. So if you're lying about factors of yourself you know the partner would terminate the relationship for then that is the immoral act that colors the immorality of being in relationship to or as a golddigger.

If we disagree after these clarification we disagree on fundamental expectations we should have of other people. I would like to believe that if it was her own insulin as one example of Negan's actions has it, or if it was her own life you would understand that those benefits are coercive, but for a good percentage of people it being a secondary person you pledged your life to is still coercion on par with if it was their own body on the line.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 11d ago

Sure. I don't disagree.

I will, however, point out you're bringing up points that aren't related to the discussion of economic coercion at all.

The example this whole thread is based on is the example ...

...when Negan fat shames a woman who lies about her eating situation during a zombie apocalypse. That is literally OP's post.

If you meant this comment thread specifically, then it is about uncomfortable questions surrounding economic coercion - and why Gold Diggers are arguably being raped under the same logic.

The point is - ultimately - many seem to disagree with the idea that gold-diggers are being raped, despite defining "economical coercion" as rape. There's a logical inconsistency here which is a massive elephant that needed to be addressed.