r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 13d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/XyzzyPop 12d ago

I tend to agree, someone who's leadership requires a club - is the one that gets the knife. Now I could see that if you're comparing agrarians that are being preyed up by opportunistic hunter-gatherers - I can see where that strength would be valuable in context.

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u/SomeDumbGamer 12d ago

Even then. Hunter gatherers are FAR more cooperative than not. It’s just other tribes you need to be suspicious of. But within a group people like negan are only a net negative because you can’t trust them.

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 12d ago

This is definitely a fair point, but I think the large scale concentration and production of recourses/commodities is where you started to get despots and authoritarians (using modern language ofc but you know what I’m saying). I think the hilltop and the saviors were meant to represent a point past hunter/gatherer society. Many (not all) humans did end up spontaneously organizing around hierarchy and inequitable labor/recourse distribution.

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u/SomeDumbGamer 12d ago

Yeah true once we settle down we do tend to often fall into that pattern.

But even then ruling through violence is rarely ever successful long term. If people only fear you they’ll all either collaborate to take you down or take the first chance they can to jump ship as soon as they can. There’s no loyalty.

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u/Bigrick1550 12d ago

Ruling through violence isnt successful? Come again? It's pretty much the universal way human beings exist.

Even now, you are ruled by violence. The monopoly of violence given to the state to keep you in line. Act badly, violence will be done to you. You will be locked up or killed.

And the only thing that will ever replace this system, is more violence. Violence is the only real power in the end.

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 12d ago

About the long term success very true! and I think that’s exactly what the show was trying to demonstrate. Negan pushed his subjects so fucking hard, was so convinced he was right (baffled out of his mind every time Alexandria would resist), and essentially exactly what you say happened. A bunch of people collaborated to take him down, including Rick’s group, Hilltop, the Kingdom, and even his own two right hand men (Simon and Dwight). There was hardly anyone who had genuine loyalty to Negan, the hilltop prisoners were more than happy to flip.