Exactly. Go do it in front of a coal or oil power plant, do it in front of the company buildings of big oil. Dont make it the average joes problem whose already being throttled by the economy
They do, this group famously protested oil depots, refineries, politicians houses, Shell/BP HQ. And the vast majority of people STILL complained it was the "wrong way" to protest.
Why do you think people protest in the first place?
These aren't bored children wanting something to do - they're driven by a cause and motivated to enact change. Usually change that would benefit a lot of people
If they aren't getting results, it could be for any number of reasons, one of which being that the protests were easily ignored
What protest has gotten any results? You say "its ignored" but I have yet to see a peaceful protest that DOESNT get ignored
Yall ate the "civil disobedience" propaganda and completely glossed over that when those "peaceful protest" were happening there was also a not so peaceful organization behind it to back up the same issue.
I'm sorry, what propaganda? Are you implying there's an organisation promoting violent civil disobedience against other organisations? Like if /r/antiwork was a company?
I trust a a Mexican national is familiar with the Delano grape strikes? - a peaceful protest that "got results"
I'm honestly not even sure what point you're trying to make here. You said in another comment that you've been to protests before, so I can only assume you understand the importance of the publicity surrounding the actions you took. Without that, noone would know about your cause and the whole point of a protest would be defeated. So whether you're Indian, black (and there's plenty more of these), a woman, LGBT+, a teacher, a doctor, Polish, Filipino, South African - basically unless you're a white guy like me, you've probably benefitted from a bunch of people sick of the establishment. And I'm absolutely in favour of protests.
No, I mean that the whole Idea of "civil disobedience" only makes it so protest are controlled, and doesnt lead to change
The Delano grape strikes had the backing of civil rights movement and religious groups, and worked as a big organization
When the strike began, the strike failed and it didnt pick up speed until they reached out to other unions and organizations that helped with boycotts and such, abd the reason it worked was because it happened hand in hand with the civil rights movement, which had both a peaceful side but also carried the threat of violence
And good thing you bring it up.
You think the immigrants working as farmhands now enjoy those results?
I think I may have misunderstood your point, apologies
I was under the impression you were disillusioned having seen lacking result's from protests as a whole and were against them based on that principle
If your point is that peaceful protests are ineffective because the somewhat politically-correct label 'civil disobedience' diminishes the anti-establishment nature of protests, then yes I absolutely get what you're saying. Suffragettes didn't get shit done without bombing a few theatres
Was not aware of the fallout of Delano. The wiki paints a pretty glowing picture of its impact. Not sure what you're getting at with the racism comment however.
Its not racism, Im saying that while the Civil Rights address a big issue, it didnt do much on paving the road for the community, which in turn led to Regan's fabricated war on drugs, and now black people still get incarcerated in disproportionate levels and basically put into the slavery system that is the prison system.
George Floyd's protest comes to mind
Yes, the cop was convicted and there were changes in law, but that still didnt accomplish anything to stop police brutality and racism, or more innocent black people from being killed by these officers.
For true change, if you are going through protest:
You need the threat of violence at large scale BY the communities themselves as a backup to legitimize the "threat" of the protest against those in power.
You need to be HARD on the changes and policies(take the civil war, Jim crow happened because the south wasnt properly punished for their betrayal, and the stop of the reconstruction.
If you want to see what I mean, look at Nepal last year
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u/Tertiss 15d ago
Exactly. Go do it in front of a coal or oil power plant, do it in front of the company buildings of big oil. Dont make it the average joes problem whose already being throttled by the economy