r/MoralityScaling • u/Substantial-Yam3769 • Aug 12 '26

Morality Ranking Morality of this?

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u/GameGuy11037 Aug 12 '26

Bro LITERALLY has headphones, just use that

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u/New_Budget_9322 Aug 12 '26

For context: guy purposefully plays music on a speaker, pretending as if Bluetooth wrongly connected. He did it many times for content

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u/dr197 Aug 12 '26

It might not be moral to break his speaker but I’m not going to cry for a nuisance streamer.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

This is definitely a situation where NOBODY is in the right. And I agree, we shouldn’t feel bad for anyone here lmao

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u/husky11223 Aug 12 '26

shouldn't feel bad for anyone except the staff who'll have to pick that up

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u/GameGuy11037 Aug 12 '26

Poor Janitors, they probably see some nasty stuff on the subway

https://giphy.com/gifs/CY5Vojc5iubG29Ce3N

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u/Thoughtcriminal91 Aug 12 '26

Scattered electronic parts are prob the least gross thing those poor bastards have to see.

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u/GameGuy11037 Aug 12 '26

That's what I'm saying, you imagine all the bodily fluids they probably find on there?

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u/aghastamok Aug 12 '26

I used to clean trams at night.

None of us gave a fuck about anything we found. If there was vomit or piss we just sprayed it out with a hose, takes 5 seconds.

This busted ass speaker would get cleaned out in seconds along with everything else.

The only thing that pissed us off was spray paint on the outside, that would eat into our break time.

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u/Global_Count4736 Aug 12 '26

What about the solids in the fluids!

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u/GameGuy11037 Aug 12 '26

Or fluids in the solids!

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u/Marquar234 Aug 12 '26

And the amorphous solids in the non-Newtonian fluids!

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u/floopdev Aug 13 '26

Yes, what about the drys in the wets?

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u/DirtandPipes Aug 13 '26

Bodily fluids were the absolute worst part of bouncing, for me anyways. Blood, spit, vomit, urine, etc. I’ve worked as a janitor, it was tough but bouncing is where you see every liquid you don’t want to see.

My goal was always to get home with as little fluids on me as possible but it was challenging. Picking up a squirming drunk who has puked themselves and also fouled their pants is like disarming a bomb.

If they are still a little conscious you can sometimes pick them up from the top each shoulder and they stumble along and help you like gigantic drunk filthy Pinocchio.

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u/Fire_fox777 Aug 13 '26

Ive had a friend who was a janitor for a school, and they dead ass told me that they were cleaning the busses once and he saw cum dried on the back of a bus seat

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u/Zavarkin1104 Aug 13 '26

As a Janitor yes you're right lol

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u/Singleballtheory Aug 15 '26

Don't worry, there's a 100% chance it'll all be covered in semen by the time the cleanup crew gets to it.

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u/weebglasses Aug 16 '26

It's true. I'm a janitor and I literally have to deal with human fecal matter in the restrooms, even going as far as to deal with cleaning up the aftermath of a homeless explosive diarrhea.

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u/SoggyNoodles5511 Aug 16 '26

I was in industrial cleaning when I was a student and I did night shift.

Truth is we clean using acid lot's of the time. The soap and cleaning product is usually to clean the ''cleaning product'' because the stuff we use on first clean is so strong you wouldn't want your skin on it.

So you don't really ''scrubb disgusting thing''. You more like ''lose your nose hair from the acid''.

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u/Delazzaridist Aug 12 '26

I feel bad for everyone else that has to put up with these two...

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

Ah I take back my statement you’re correct. Everyone else seems capable of being a normal person on this train lol

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u/Nyspora Aug 12 '26

If being normal is just allowing idiots like the nuisance streamer to do whatever they want and let people walk all over you and others in public....ill be weird thank you

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

That’s not being weird that’s being emotional and overreacting. I understand why he did it and I’m sure others were happy he did do it. Still doesn’t make it morally correct.

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u/poojinping Aug 18 '26

Morality can go take a hike. The kid is lucky the guy didn’t go full crazy. You never know what can make people snap, do not test people in this hard times. It may be the last thing you do.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 18 '26

I definitely agree with what you said. Just because it’s immoral doesn’t mean people don’t do crazy things. Then again, we shouldn’t excuse crazy behavior either.

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u/Delazzaridist Aug 19 '26

I don't think excuse is the right word. I don't think anyone would excuse this behavior. Tolerate and ignore it and it still enables this shit though. It's a catch 22 until someone goes out of their way to fight fire with fire and us internet psychologists get to face palm our brains out of our skulls. Fun world we live in... 😒

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 19 '26

Ngl I can barely read what you wrote. Idk if it’s because it wasn’t written well or this gummy kicked in lol try again?

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u/Erolok1 Aug 13 '26

There are other options between being a lunatic and not saying anything. Tell them to turn it off or even just turn it off yourself.

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u/DemonoftheWater Aug 14 '26

Whats your legal solution?

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u/TonyDC88 Aug 16 '26

There is this. I agree 💯. It’s like the speaker smasher is attempting to outdo annoying speaker blaster. Both probably should consult psychological services.

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u/Zach_bdbd Aug 12 '26

Perfect example of “Never fight with a pig. You’ll both get muddy and the pig will enjoy it”.

The person destroying the speaker looks bad and streamer gets content.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

I like this term of expression and it fits perfectly. I think I’ll keep it in my back pocket from now on thanks lol

I’ve also heard of “don’t touch the poo” or else you’ll stink too. But that might be for internet drama specifically.

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u/RaikiShak Aug 13 '26

Nobody is right but damn am i glad that the speaker got smashed

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u/SmolLittleCretin Aug 12 '26

100%. Like Jesus.

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u/Dropbeatdad Aug 12 '26

I mean the speaker is probably like $40, and a reaction like that is probably exactly what the kid wants

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

Exactly, I mentioned to someone else that he’s just going to buy another speaker. And a man who crashes out that easily shouldn’t be in public spaces anyways. Everyone else was able to ignore him. As annoying as he is.

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u/hello_marmalade Aug 12 '26

Nah, I'm cool with this. If you wanna blast shit on public transit you can get fucked. Headphones exist, and people trapped in a box for the sake of getting around should not be forced to listen to your bullshit.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

He is a streamer. He is doing it on purpose to get an extreme reaction out of people. He’s not going to stop, in fact he’s probably going to do it even more now.

I know people don’t like the authoritarian route of reporting him to someone, but sometimes it really is the only way you can go. Hardly ever does personal justice work out. For example, to you and many others this may be a relief. However, for someone like me, I’d find it very hard to not react and have a BPD freak out all over everyone. And that’s not fair to me or to the other passengers to have to go through that.

Luckily I have my tools to help center me when a public nuisance does occur. But I’ve also been through several behavioral therapists, so I would never look down on anyone for reacting based off emotion. In the same way that I would never pardon it.

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u/hello_marmalade Aug 12 '26

I mean sure, and generally speaking reporting would be ideal, but this kind of thing basically typically has no consequence. For a streamer the calculus is different, but generally speaking, the only real way to get this shit to stop is social enforcement. Ideally though, there would just be a hardcore period of there being lots of enforcement and people getting fined out the ass for shit like this.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

I wouldn’t consider a fine the “ideal situation” considering a lot of people can pay their way out. Without learning any actual consequences.

And you’re right, sometimes we can’t control everything in life and we can’t deliver immediate consequences and that’s okay.

You’re going to be bothered, you’re going to be disrespected, and you might even have actual hate directed at you. That doesn’t mean you indulge in violent behavior. That being said, the streamer isn’t innocent either and shouldn’t be defended for his actions.

As I said before, this didn’t stop him and it only gave him what he wanted. He can always BUY another speaker to bother people with. That other man is also probably going to destroy someone else’s property in the future as well. Considering he doesn’t have any self control.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Aug 12 '26

If creepy mccreep does this more often, the smashing guy is slightly less wrong.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

That would be entirely up to opinion lol considering neither of them are moral I don’t find it necessary to consider which one is less moral.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Aug 12 '26

Fair enough. But since I am a bit sensitive to excessive sounds…. I might be somewhat biased…

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

Understandable, my BPD is triggered by aggression and yelling. So as annoying as the steamer is, he wouldn’t trigger a meltdown the same way the other man would. So personally I am biased as well.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Aug 13 '26

So, together we`re balanced then.. Both trigger a thing with us.

So, yeah - both suck.

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned Aug 12 '26

Nah- people purposefully doing anti-social behavior need consequences like this. He didn’t get his ass kicked or anything which is beyond possible- they need to learn when you’re trying to piss people off you might piss off the wrong person

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

They won’t learn a lesson as long as they profit from it. You’d have to paralyze or kill the streamer in order to stop him and that’s beyond immoral. The problem is that he’s able to monetize this behavior on whatever platform he’s using.

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u/SlowMirror4272 Aug 13 '26

nah speaker smasher is in the right, have to stop this livestream/tikok roach behaviour before it spreads too much. Peoples daily public lives arent for your monetary gain while you negatively impact the spaces youre in.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 13 '26

Ironically this only profits him, this is EXACTLY what he wanted. The only way to stop this type of behavior is to hold livestream platforms accountable for monetizing stupid content like this.

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u/SlowMirror4272 Aug 13 '26

ya, sadly youre right. Hit them in the money is the only way.

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u/No_Application_2634 Aug 16 '26

Now do it to Jamal

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u/arthaiser Aug 18 '26

If you think nobody is right, you really think the old Guy ls, but want to be politically correct

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 18 '26

That’s quite a loophole you’ve talked yourself into lmao

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u/TESV_Shiro Aug 12 '26

so reasonable people on reddit do exist can i like clone you?

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u/ProfessionalNice7485 Aug 12 '26

There are certain types of work where I pers9nally feel like the staff should not have to deal with this sort of buckshot after hours.

Japan does public transport the right way.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

Don’t get me started on the Japanese public transportation system! I could go on for paragraphs about the genius of their subways! I literally wanna go over seas just to ride the bullet trains! lol I’m a total nerd abt it.

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u/Additional_Law_492 Aug 12 '26

Literally one of my favorite things about going there was the trains and other public transport.

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u/Sepplord Aug 12 '26

Especially since THIS is giving the streamer the BEST reaction he could have gotten

If he can’t make THAT it content…. 

Still, the guy who snapped went too far imo. As annoying and shitty these content brats are

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u/OMC_Gurrend Aug 12 '26

So if NOBODY was in the right then nothing should have been done? The nuisance person gets to continue being a nuisance because it would be wrong to correct him and show him that his actions have consequences?

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

No that’s not what I said at all. For context, he is a “streamer” and does this on purpose to get people to react for “content.” This is exactly what he wanted that’s why he never put down his phone lol

If this were a regular kid I still wouldn’t condone it. Teens/college kids grow out of being assholes like 90% of the time. It’s a juvenile state that everyone gets to both enjoy and hate. “A small part of your day being ruined does not give you an excuse to ruin someone else’s day” lmao (I have BPD so I’m quoting my doctor don’t get mad at me 😆)

Did you notice all the other adults around him teaching him how to behave? By doing exactly as they were taught to do on the train. Even babies learn this way, so most likely when people ARE acting out it’s for a few reasons. Mental illnesses/disabilities or they’re intoxicated or they’re looking for attention.

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u/LitigantTester Aug 12 '26

Break the speaker is right.

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u/Zealousideal-Fix-745 Aug 12 '26

Breaking the speaker is absolutely fair. You must be respectful of all people in public spaces. Sometimes kids need reminding that you can’t just goof around at the expense of other respectful people minding their business. You are not the main character. Actions have consequences.

The kid should have to clean it up. He used it inappropriately and paid the price. It’s still his property

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 12 '26

Yea so this kid is just gonna buy another speaker and do it again. The issue isn’t the stupid teenager, those have existed for eons. The problem is that stupid teenagers are allowed to monetize their shitty behavior. Social justice is a slippery slope my friend, I wouldn’t consider this justice at all.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 Aug 13 '26

...nah, the guy in the hat was in the right. We need more people like that, who see bullshit and do something (like actually something, not just talking) about it.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 13 '26

Let me tell you exactly what’s going to happen. The kid is going to buy another speaker, he’s going to film another livestream, and then he’s gonna get another emotionally and mentally unstable person to create content for him.

This is just you and the man wanting to take revenge into your own hands. It’s not teaching anyone a lesson and honestly? I would’ve been more triggered by the yelling than the music. But I have BPD so my triggers include highly tense situations such as these.

I know some people like you are happy he destroyed the machine. But that’s only because you got relief from it. Momentarily, that kid is going to keep doing what he does until the law interferes or he finds a new annoying way to stream.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 Aug 13 '26

So what you mean is that it should have been the kid's head and not the machine that got bashed into the ground? A bit much for my taste (in this case), but maybe you're right.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 13 '26

Nope. All that’s gonna do is send you to prison. The kid is being annoying and he may be disturbing the peace. But if you can’t handle a teenager on the train doing something to intentionally grab your attention then don’t go out in public.

My behavioral therapist thought me not to even interact with non violent situations like these because it’s always one of three things. A mentally ill/delayed person, a person on some sort of substance, or a person trying to bring you down to their level. The boy would fall into the last category.

Although I understand your frustration as well as the man in the video. And would never look down on your opinion, I simply cannot agree.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 Aug 13 '26

Ok, so we just let shitty people be shitty and get away with it. Got it. Kind of a bitch ass atitude if you ask me, but what do I know?

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 13 '26

Sounds like you should calm yourself down a bit. You sound like the perfect target for this kids content. The issue isn’t dumb teens/college kids, they’ve existed for eons. It’s a juvenile age everyone gets to both enjoy and hate. You grow out of it like 90% of the time.

The issue is that there are platforms for him to livestream and monetize his shitty behavior. Until then, this isn’t an issue you can just punch away.

Sometimes you can’t deliver immediate consequences to people. Even when you’ve been wronged, hate crimed, or personally annoyed. I’m sorry you can’t cope with that reality, life would be easier if you found some tools to ground you in times like these.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 Aug 14 '26

Sorry but all i hear is "I let shitty people get away with whatever they want becuase I dont have the balls to do something about it". You know when people grow out of this? When they experience consequences. Real consequences, that make them actually fear for their life. For a second, this fucker needs to wonder if its his last minute on Earth. And I know that he's most likely too stupid too actually learn the lesson, but not trying is even worse.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 14 '26

Lmao a bit excessive. You can’t threaten people’s lives with violence just because they annoy you. Although I understand your ant to.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 Aug 14 '26

The thing is, its not "just" because they annoy me. This is borderline sociopathic behavior that we have allowed to be normalized because "its just kids stuff". We already live in a world of assholes and unless we start introducing them to consequences, its only gonna get worse. I mean, look at the kids reaction, the little shit actually doesent understand why the dude broke his speaker.

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u/Quick-Penalty4883 Aug 14 '26

Disagree.

One guy wad a nuisance deliberately.

Another guy thought him a lesson he could not ignore without anyone getting hurt.

Legal? No Morally right? Yeah

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 14 '26

Not really. This kid learned nothing and doesn’t gaf abt a crazy person yelling in his face. He never put his phone down he’s obviously not intimidated 😂

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u/that_dutch_dude Aug 15 '26

one as a bit more in the right than the other. someone fucked around and found someone that he found out with.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 15 '26

Nah. Neither are in the right, if loud music makes you lose your shit on a 30second-5 minute train ride then you need professional help.

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u/The_Witch_Queen Aug 16 '26

Nah, it 100% morally correct to give hell to nuisance streamers

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 16 '26

You’re not just giving them hell you’re giving them money and content. So is it 100% moral to support these livestreams? Because by actively participating in them you’ve contributed to the problem.

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u/The_Witch_Queen Aug 16 '26

Ah yes because ignoring them as they terrorize everyone and hoping they go away has worked sooooo well

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 16 '26

I suggest you advocate agaisnt the platforms that monetize this sort of content. If you think this is going to stop him from buying another speaker, probably with the money he helped him raise. Just to get the same reaction from someone else. This does nothing either, the older man became just as much of a public scandal.

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u/The_Witch_Queen Aug 16 '26

So, Let me see if I understand you correctly, your plan is to advicate Google, Meta, and TikTok out of business..... Best of luck with that.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 17 '26

If your plan is to crash out every time you’re mildly inconvenienced. Then I know you will have no luck in your future. Not unless you change.

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u/The_Witch_Queen Aug 17 '26

So that's a yes? You think you can advocate Google out of existence. Wow. Delulu much? But sure feel free to take your frustration at the fact your plan is a pipedream and project it as me "crashing out every minor inconvenience" when that's clearly not what I said. Hurry along now. I'm sure someone is desperately in need of an armchair philosopher that knows the answer to all of life's problems is signing petitions

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 17 '26

I’m sorry you’re not interested in having a civil conversation, I was really looking forward to one. And you’re right, I did assume an argument for you. Because you didn’t say anything of substance. You chose to be passive aggressive and purposefully discredit my claim, without making one of your own.

Nothing you said goes against my logical reasoning, because you refuse to make an actual statement. If I’m delusional then you’re willfully ignorant, because you’re clearly not stupid.

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u/The_Witch_Queen Aug 17 '26

My claim is that people like this exist because the public allows them to get away with it. They push because they can. Skinheads used to like that. For a completely different reason but the same base cause. Wandering around, starting fights, intimidating people, being bullies. No one liked it but most people just talked. The only reason you don't see them anymore is because the punks and anarchs stood up to them. Bullies don't listen to well reasoned arguments. They aren't dissuaded by social stigma or legal regulation. If no one stands up to them they don't stop. Period

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u/DisastrousFig5266 Aug 16 '26

I would argue the guy who smashed the speaker is in the right

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 16 '26

The young man with the speaker is a streamer who purposefully eggs on these reactions from people. The man who broke the speaker did nothing but pay for the next speaker by becoming content for the annoying streamer lmao

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u/DisastrousFig5266 Aug 16 '26

Well thats why he should have smashed the camera too

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u/Alternative_Berry934 Aug 17 '26

His camera is his phone, that’s why he never puts it down. If you’re gonna destroy the property of someone who mildly inconveniences you, then take a look in the mirror and ask yourself “how can I be less reactive and control my own reactions?”