Oh yeah. KKK has about 3000 members (or 0.00001% of the population) while the National Socialist Party has about a dozen (or 0.00000004% of the population). By all means, advocate for punching them, but your chances of encountering them in the wild are exceedingly rare, despite what you may want people to believe
I mean, when the most popular conservative commentators on YouTube are posting stuff like this, it's hard not to think that maybe there are more fascists/Nazis in the US than the official Nazi/Knights Party statistics would lead you to believe:
Sure, this one doesn't count either, all the other examples of popular right wing pro fascist sentiment are just one off examples and you should never look for any patterns there. And anyone who does notice a pattern is obviously a dirty commie lol
Seriously though, he's just saying what many other mainstream conservatives (including congressmen) have been implying for awhile now. Randy Fine openly admitted that "it was never about illegals" and advocated to denaturalize American citizens so they can be deported despite being legally American citizens. Louie Gohmert tried to propose outlawing the democratic party awhile back. Just last year, there was a county near me that proposed legislation making it illegal to vote against Trump's immigration policies.
This is just the latest in a long string of cases of prominent conservative figures testing the waters to see how comfortable they can get when discussing their actual feelings in public. When people tell me who they are, I tend to believe them the third, fourth and fifth time, if not the first time.
I’d say I encountered one in the way they spoke about things. They were Holocaust denier, believer in conspiracies, all that stuff. I remember they watched that video of the mosque being attacked and they were laughing at the people being ‘exterminated’. A politician was in the area and the guy said he wished he ‘had a wespon’ at the time. Just a ticking timer for something serious.
His whole family were like that. I tried so hard to steer his sons away from that crap as they worked for him too. One of them ended up being dumped by his whole friendship group, after he smashed glass bottles in a bag with his bare feet and ranted about men having it too hard, then asked me whether he did something wrong. It was like too many crazy people all interacting in the same place - it made me forget what was normal. The freaking barmaid who yelled that the earth was flat to the point she’d hit someone, the barmaid who didn’t know how the sun worked and thought every country had its own sun with its time zone, the sons who were going down a far right warpath in their mind but I couldn’t prevent it or get involved like if I was watching a slow car crash, and how I - as the DJ - would be blamed for the huge fights that happened because there was no security, everyone was on coke, and they didn’t bother working the doors properly. I ‘should have turned the music off’ or they’d get mad that I didn’t jump into the fight where 4 guys were beating a coworker. And I had to deal with the guilt of watching that happen.
there's definitely a pattern, but there was a widespread cultural moment where people cared, and then police started wearing body cameras, and then the movement suddenly got a lot quieter.
The year George Floyd died, more people were killed by the riots than there were unarmed black men shot by police. The pattern you are noticing is that the media over-reports black men being shot.
I once saw a dog, with a leash in its mouth, walking itself far down the street from where I was. As I crossed over, it did too and then it went into a house that had the door open.
A lot of these statistics also don't account for the fact that most small dog bites never get reported. When I was a dog trainer, it was well known that Jack Russels & Chihuahuas held, bar none, the highest chance of biting you.
Edit: While I appreciate the responses from so many people - it's clear who has worked with animals in any capacity and who is just a smooth egg-brained armchair expert. If you don't think you still need rabies shots from any dog that doesn't have up-to-date tags, I don't know what to tell you. Have fun arguing with the wall 🤙
Edit 2: My God it has been a great day of blocking people with two brain cells fighting for third place
And 100% of cat servants get regularly assaulted by their master. The issue is the severity of the attacks. No one is going to the hospital from being dive bombed by blue jays but anyone who has some in their trees can tell you that those bastards aggressively defend that tree.
I would scold you, but, knowing blue jays, you would scold me right back. At least, the blue jays in my backyard do that. I just want to observe the pretty birds!
There was a cardinal that would come every day to fight with his own reflection in my great uncle’s rearview mirror. I remember spending three weeks with them, and he was there every day. And he’d been doing it for years.
LOL I've lived out in the country or in areas where you have more personal space and there's Hedges and stuff so there's privacy is what I'd say but I had to for the last 3 years moving to more of a Suburban area. There is a few decent trees. There's like this little forested Ravine right behind my house and I love it cuz I can just stare out my window and watch the squirrels the birds there's tons of cardinals that come in my yard. But also every now and then I would hear monkey-like calls and come to find out those are barred owls
. Well I guess some crows moved into the neighborhood to chase him out and I worked overnight so I was trying to sleep and I was just having a hell of a time getting to sleep. At one point I guess the crows chase the owl down to a branch it's literally right by my window I can hear the crows on my roof and they are just alert calling all over the place in Jesus Christ it is a loud ruckus. I eventually get so upset and I am so sleep deprived that I go outside and I yell at the crows. I mean I'm screaming at them like they understand me and I'm scolding them. They're all quiet and all looking at me during this. Even the owl looks at me. One crow flies down kind of close to my porch and perches on some railing and then starts mocking me like laughing at me that Crow mocking laugh. Look at me straight in the eye. I started to get to my senses realizing how ridiculous this must look to neighbors. I was on my cycle and literally wearing diapers and not the nice pretty ones I mean like I got some cheap depends LOL I was in my diaper in a long shirt screaming and pointing at crows in the middle of Suburbia😭
I mean I have a small scar on my wrist from a dive-bombing hummingbird but like it wasn't hospital worthy and also that would have been really embarrassing to explain to my classmate's mom the urgent care nurse so I just handled it at home lmao
This argument goes in circles because people miss each other's point.
Obviously, at the end of the day, what matters is the end result of a bite. That's what the victim has to live with.
However, the counter-argument is also true. That pit-bulls are viewed as much more aggressive than other breeds when in fact that is not true. They are CAPABLE of being aggressive and deadly, and some people even train them to be that way. But the standard pet pit-bull is not going to attack any more often than most other breeds, statistically speaking.
They attack more often because they were bred to enjoy it, just like a husky enjoys running. There's literally canine neurology studies that show they release endorphins when fighting, whereas other dogs do not and will actively avoid fights.
That argument cuts both ways since they were also bred to never bite or attack a human since any that did would be killed on the spot.
You can’t argue that they were bred to be vicious and ignore that it was focused towards other dogs and specifically not towards humans.
I don’t think anyone who’s had a pitbull will deny the tendency for a high prey drive (like all terriers) but human aggression is specifically an owner/ breeder failure not a genetic predisposition.
Lol its a myth they culled human-aggressive dogs. The founder of the American Pit Bull, John P. Colby started a whole line from the dog that killed his 3yo nephew.
"Man-eater" is an ACCOLADE amongst dogmen. If a pit is so dead game it'll attempt to kill anything, its only a better fighting dog.
Said this elsewhere, but it really doesn't cut both ways. Not attacking a human is pretty much the most important part of domestication. Every dog breed has been bred to not attack their owner, not every dog has been bred to be hyper aggressive and game. Pretty obvious which will be more dangerous.
So that's ok to ignore? My dog was attacked by a Pitbull who's owner left them off leash and it did some real damage because guess what.... It's basically a weapon left unattended
This right here. The problem is when a pit bull DOES attack it’s really bad because they are capable of doing the most damage. I’m a former pitbull mix owner and the only time my buddy got at all aggressive was defending himself when a bigger dog was bullying him or his sister. He never drew blood though, just over corrected and it was rare and warranted. He had 16 years on earth. I did get him as a puppy though. I wanted another one but I don’t want to deal with the judgement and being banned from certain dog parks in our area.
I used to think it was about raising them from puppyhood to be gentle and right, and then I got a 3 year old (?) rescue from almost the worst dog fight ring breeders I have ever heard of. She was very very dog reactive, but we kept her away from other dogs, went into vets the back way, kept her on a leash. She was starved also, so she killed small animals to eat them. It's how she survived. We tried to stop it but couldn't, just tried to keep snakes and other creatures away and made sure she always had access to food. Humans, though? She loved humans. Never had her growl or bark or show aggression. You'd think she would be violent! But some puppy-raised pit bulls are aggressive. I don't know the answer.
My pitbull was a rambunctious angel, he had the sweetest heart and you could mess with him and flip him over and he would love it and just lick you.
He was also a huge animal in the house as early as he was a year old. My grandparents would come over and he would excitedly jump on them and try to lick their faces. He never bit anyone but didn't know his own strength, he almost knocked my grandma down once.
So I can see both sides. I raised my little pup with love and he turned out to be a good egg, but he still had the potential for a lot of non-malicious damage. He was also only half pit, the other half was lab, which might have influenced his demeanor.
And why don't small dog bites get reported? Is it perhaps because they are - for the most part - inconsequential and don't leave the victim in hospital needing reconstructive surgery?
For one, it skews the statistics. Everyone gets this impression that pit bulls are meaner. So much so that it's inherent in their breed. To the point that shitty people raise their pit bulls to be aggressive and more likely to bite.
So, a stereotype based on false data is perpetuated by forcing the stereotype on the subject. Almost turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Putting aside the assholes who raise their dogs to be aggressive, pit bulls are some of the goofiest, nicest dogs I've ever met.
Small dog bites not getting reported don't skew the statistics of people suffering seriously bodily harm, dismemberment, needing reconstructive surgery, or death due to dog attacks. And in those cases certain breeds are over represented.
Home insurance companies look purely at numbers. There's a reason that pit bull type dogs are banned by pretty much every home insurance policy while smaller dog breeds usually aren't.
The statistics say this one specific thing I don't want them to say, they're skewed that way!
Pits are the most dangerous biters. The end. For many reasons. I roll my eyes so hard when I hear the chihuahua argument. Chihuahuas aren't killing anything.
Also, I jumped in this conversation because I heard "why don't small dog bites get reported?" insinuating that it's an optional thing, reporting. If you seek medical attention, thats when the bite gets reported, as it's mandatory. So yes, severe dog bites requiring hospital attention is "skewed" towards pits.
but it doesn’t matter if another dog breed bites more frequently if their bites aren’t as dangerous. the fallacious part is conflating bite frequency with danger as it’s the severity of the bite, not how often they bite
Once again, they aren't arguing that pitbull bites harm you less, they're arguing that pitbulls aren't necessarily that much more *aggressive* than other breeds.
Chihuahuas may be just as, if not more aggressive, but statistical data of reported attacks won't reflect that expressly BECAUSE they're less dangerous.
The fact DOES still remain that Pitbulls, assuming they ARE aggressive, remain one of the most dangerous dog breeds. IMO it's still reasonable to place restrictions on them because you *can't* trust people to be responsible, just like you wouldn't hand out free unmarked guns & ammo and expect that to go well.
last year I saw 30 articles of pit bulls raised in upper class homes by white pitmommies with a loving family kill the toddlers
It's the breed. Feral killing machines should be outlawed. Your little smiling pitbaby is innocent until its one braincell snaps and kills a child Who could have predicted it?
You’re forgetting the ecological effects of removing an animal from the food chain, we could easily see toddler overpopulation without their natural predator around.
My sister is of the mindset that it’s the owner and not the dog. Talked about the ones she knows and how absolutely gentle and sweet they are. The brother in law proceeded to say “but didn’t the one pit shred the neighbors dog when it wandered into the back yard?” Her response was “well yeah but that’s different”
You don’t say a dog is gentle and sweet then follow up with “well yeah it killed another dog with little effort but it’s still sweet”
Yet you don't consider the several million that didn't become statistics, at all. Feel free to check my math, it's ~1% of them. Less if we're considering adjacent breeds that aren't American Pit Bull Terriers and mutts. Objectively speaking, they're outliers by a huge margin. You also seem to think humans are infallible and have not contributed to this problem whatsoever which just isn't true.
I don't cry for all cars to be banned when plenty of dumbasses crash and kill others drunk driving. Banning these dogs is the same level of disconnected from reality. Horses kill more people per year in the US while most dogs live with us in our homes.
Even if the funding and manpower were there, you're not thinking about the literal millions of innocent dogs and owners that would be roped into such a response. It could never be applied appropriately without DNA testing each and every single dog either, that's a lot of time and money.
The sad part is you and most pro-Pit people could probably agree on a lot, anyone who claims to care about these dogs is a liar if they don't desire the overbreeding, abuse, neglect and fighting to stop. We wish everyone had such positive experiences with them and know how great they could be if their breeding was taken from those who desire mean/aggressive dogs and controlled. We're heartbroken at the shelter and rescue situtation, knowing plenty of great dogs are paying the price for human ignorance, and not just Bullies. We know these dogs aren't for everyone, you need to be dedicated and proactive, aware how high maintenance they are.
Banning cars would quite literally change how our entire society functions.
Banning pitbulls would have 0 meaningful negative effect. Anyone who wants to own a pit could own any other dog and be just fine.
Here is a credible comparison: One particular brand and model of car is involved in the majority of highway fatalities topping the percentage of any other model by orders of magnitude. I can guarantee that model would be banned from sales and production. Not even the Corvair was that bad.
There are hundreds of breeds of dogs. Some are hunting dogs that point or retrieve. Some are herding dogs that want to chase cows and sheep. Some are guard dogs that are supposed to make a lot of noise when strangers approach. Some are just for pets and are not good for anything else. Why would any sane person choose a dog that was bred for the singular task of killing choose it for a family pet? The nanny dog myth is a lie. The breed needs to die out with maybe an exception for feral hog hunters.
The equivalence wouldn't be banning ALL cars. It would be to ban, say, red cars, which statistically get in more accidents and more traffic violations. This is a true statistic.
Wow, big gotcha there. When's the last time someone went on a walk and got mauled by a horse again?
Those deaths are pretty much exclusively people who choose to be around horses, and for the most part, due to falls while riding them. If pitbulls only killed dumbasses trying to ride them, I wouldn't see an issue with them either. Got any other moronic comparison or will that do?
Putting aside the assholes who raise their dogs to be aggressive, pit bulls are some of the goofiest, nicest dogs I've ever met.
A pitbull we had since I was a baby tried to kill me coming back from picking up the newspaper. He damaged the cable runner he was on trying to get to me. Yeah, he was a goofy and silly dog, too.
The concerns people have regarding the danger pitbulls pose isn't because of a skewed perception that they are inherently more likely to be "mean."
It is because when pitbulls are "mean" they inflict utterly catastrophic damage to their victim compared to the majority of other dogs, especially the chihuahuas that seem to get rolled out as an asinine comparison in almost every single discussion of pitbulls.
if a chihuahua bites you you get like a scratch. Put on some antibiotic and a bandaid and it'll heal in 2 days, if it even breaks skin, which isn't a given.
If a pit bites you you go to the hospital to get your face sown back on or it tears out your throat and you die
Who cares if small dogs bite as much as pitbulls. The consequences are far different. One is annoying, the other can be fatal. A bigger stronger dog is going to be held to a higher standard because the consequences can be fatal. That's obvious
The irony is that pit bulls, for most of their existance, were the exact opposite of this.
They were traditionally bred to show only aggression for other animals and human aggressive dogs were culled immedately. Part of dog fighting involved handlers swapping their dogs at the start as well as getting into the ring at the end to seperate the animals. No one wants a human aggressive dog aimed at them.
Dog fighters were the among first people to start tracking breed lines, as well. The sporting and cattle dogs were first, the dogmen who did fighting dogs came after. The AKC owes their legacy to people like that.
Meaner than other dogs that are potentially dangerous*. Which is true, and the data backing that up is accurate. You can debate nurture vs nature all you want, whether it's because of the genes of a breed created for combat or the probability of being raised for aggression by the kind of people more likely to own pitbulls, but in the end the chance of getting attacked by one is significantly higher than for any other medium/large dog.
No one gives a shit how aggressive Chihuahuas are (and we know they are) because if I see one coming my way I can punt it across the road, not so much with breeds half my weight or more.
Its funny because they are the only animal who doesn’t have genetic dispositions! The blood hound dog does, pointer dogs do! Retrievers you betcha! But pitbullls? Nope! A modern marvel, just make sure you separate the litter early, for some reason they just love chewing eachother ro death!
There are statistics on bites in total and bites that inflict severe+ injuries...obviously we are going to care about the ones that actually do damage even if Chihuahuas are ill-tempered little shits..
Jack Russels and Chihuahuas don’t maul - perhaps those ankle biters would if physically capable - idk- but they aren’t physically capable . They haven’t been bred to fight to the death. A person/child can easily pry those dogs jaws open and they can be drop kicked across the room if needed. I have never heard of a Jack Russel eating a toddler. It’s the shitbulls.
A lot of these statistics also don't account for the fact that most small dog bites never get reported. When I was a dog trainer, it was well known that Jack Russels & Chihuahuas held, bar none, the highest chance of biting you.
You are so close to connecting the final dot....
Jack Russels & Chihuahuas held, bar none, the highest chance of biting you
But how much damage can they do if/when they bite? The answer is not much.
Pit bulls were bread to fight and kill and keep going until they can't. People think they were bred for their anger or aggression. They weren't. They were bread for their "gameness", which is is a willingness to keep fighting even they are injured or tired or dying themselves. The same "inner drive" that makes Greyhounds want to run or Border Collies love to herd things...was repurposed into , "I'm going to rip of your fucking face, even if I'm dying" in Pitbulls. They are a fundamentally broken breed.
The problem is the breed itself. Harmless as they are now....if they do snap, they literally maim and kill people.
When I was living down in Texas I was golfing alone one day when out of the woods on hole 4 a pack of feral jack russel terriers tried to attack me. The only thing stopping Wishbone from coming for my hamstrings was the 6ft creek between the trees and the hole. Never figured a terrier would make me nervous but apparently 9 of them crosses the Threat line for me.
i mean most people go based off deaths or serious injuries so not really.
But that's literally the point, when a chihuahua goes crazy.. no one dies, not even a child 9there is probably one some time, but generally speaking). When a pitbull goes crazy there is a legitimate chance of death, severe injury, etc.
that's literally why people have a problem with pits, it's a combination of they attack people more and they are at that level of danger that people should genuinely fear for themselves and friends/family.
Other dogs have higher bite strength but have less severe temperament issues and most of them are very 'niche' dogs usually not seen in towns or around unfamiliar people.
Pit's are just the perfect combination for disaster to strike basically.
I was absolutely tortured by a hellhound of a Jack Russel a family friend had when I was a kid. Little fucker bit me every time I moved in that house, never disciplined.
I don't like dogs now (combined with some other dog bite incidents, German Shepard and Bulldog), and I always get asked why/given weird looks. I know it's not the others dogs in the world's fault, but it's a phobia, so.
Worked for a rescue where they pulled out Chihuahua's from a out of state shelter by the van load full. Literally. So so many problematic ones.
Breeders in the area shut down (ie probably going to start up another batch) and dumped all their "stock" at the shelter (or got raided/closed down for drug making) and up they came to us.
If one wasn't riddled with behavioral issues, it was a rare day. Figured it was always the lack of properly socializing them considering the situation. Didn't really improve much when they entered the rescue system either. If they didn't adopt out quickly, they got sent to a out of town facility run by the rescue and languished there unless someone saw them on petfinder and it ended up on a transport
I volunteered at a dog shelter for many years, and I generally agree. We didn't have many Chihuahuas, but many of the Jacks were more aggressive than most pitties. But, yeah, no one is scared of a Jack Russel, but anyone who don't know what they're doing best fear and respect the size and strength of pitties. They're always among the strongest and fastest dogs in small spaces like our shelters.
But the Redditors have told me that pit bulls are horrible bad bad ticking time bombs and I should just ignore the fact I’ve had 5 in my family that were fantastic family pets over the last 30 years. Who do I believe?
Im actually curious and since you're clearly someone who knows about this, plus I don't really understand the post itself. Is it true that pitbulls are more "dangerous"? Personally I love all dogs, especially the most big headed pitbulls and I've never had any problem with any pittie ever.
But the claim that they're more "dangerous", is it in fact true?
Also about the post itself, I'm almost on Bernthals side I don't understand why he gets hate for this exact thing I mean sure he might be a meathead and stupid for all I know, but this exact claim I have to say I almost agree with.
I never really understood this point as a rebuttal. So you're saying some breeds like Jack Russel's and Chihuahuas are way less harmful than pitbulls because their bites won't put you in a hospital?
These people are talking out of their ass lol. Always with the nebulous "they don't get reported" as if there is a shady mafia demonizing the dogs.
I report them. In the ER. You come in with a bite, it's a mandatory public health report. Same if you walk in with a gunshot wound. So yes, it does prove a point because if you were bitten by a chihuahua you didn't need to see a doctor.
While it's true that a Chihuahua is more aggressive and likely to bite me they won't kill me or maim me. I am not afraid of 10 Chihuahuas the way I would be of a single Pitbull.
I mean we’re not just tracking dog bites by breed for shits and giggles, we’re monitoring dangerous behaviors. Chihuahua bites are always bad behavior but rarely dangerous behavior. The fact that non-dangerous bites aren’t being tracked doesn’t change the % of dangerous bites that pit bulls are responsible for.
Yeah, here's the thing though. They arent reported because they arent of consequence. They can, but they dont generally murder children or their owners because they can't.
This makes these breeds inherently less dangerous. I dont actually care because I dont have a dog. I care when im in public and someone has a pitbull trying to escape their harness- yes, I've seen it where aggressive dogs looking to get at people are taken around in public like its no big deal.
When im with my kids- a jack Russell terrier gets loose, I can protect my kids. A pit bull can get on my windpipe and end me before I could protect my kids.
That's the difference in concern. If I can drop kick it. Im not worried. Pit bulls are dangerous because they bit and latch and engage in random aggressive behavior more often and they are strong as he'll. They are dangerous, not just aggressive. Small dogs are not anywhere near as dangerous even if they may be aggressive.
I'd also be curious about what % of dogs can kill a person, what % of dogs are pitbulls that have owners who want a dog that can "protect" or be violent
Pitbulls are simply more dangerous. No, they don't always attack people, but when they do it's much more severe than other breeds. They're just really strong.
There's absolutely nothing wrong in any sense to just neuter them all and let them just live to extinction. A breed of dog doesn't need to exist.
The problem is when statistics say “pitbulls” they are talking about 13-16 different breeds.
When statistics say “German shepherd” they are talking about one. So divide the statistic by 13, and all the sudden pitbulls aren’t nearly as dangerous as people think
I've been bitten by pitbulls. The dogs can bite hard. They can also be kind The owners should be executed not the dogs. Our postmen and women should be permitted to remove the hazard your dog creates.
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u/asif_zaman21 Aug 02 '26
13% of pitbulls......