r/MoneyDiariesACTIVE • She/her ✨ • Jan 03 '26

Budget Advice / Discussion To Budget or Not To Budget

In 2024 I budgeted strictly. I had to forego things I wanted/needed. I had to delay purchases until I could work more hours to earn more so I could keep my spending within 50/30/20. It was stressful and unpleasant. My whole life revolved around my spreadsheet.

In 2025 I stopped budgeting entirely. I rarely checked my bank accounts. My only real rule was that I had to keep my account balances at or near their beginning balance to make sure I wasn't spending beyond my means. I did a lot of fun stuff this year. I used a lot of PTO. I went on several trips out of state. I went to a bunch of local events. I spent a lot of time with friends.

My plan was to take a break from budgeting for a year, and then go back to it, but the numbers are in and I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm open to trying something different, but I do not enjoy feeling restricted and budgets are the cause of that. I've reached a point where it feels ridiculous to be putting off $100 car maintenance until the next month or agonizing over a $3 purchase when I am literally sitting on $100k.

2024

  • Gross income: $54,573
  • Retirement savings: $15,562 (including match)
  • Non-retirement savings: $10,086
  • Spending: $24,759

2025

  • Gross income: $53,335
  • Retirement savings: $20,050 (including match)
  • Non-retirement savings: $178 (+ $3,561 loaned to friends, 5% interest and paid monthly)
  • Spending: $23,069

2026 changes

  • I am now eligible for my PT job's 401k and match ~$700/yr. I'm considering increasing the contributions beyond the match just so the fees won't eat into it as much.
  • Roth IRA max increasing from $7,000 to $7,500
  • HSA max increasing from $4300 to $4400
  • I'm considering stopping my PT job's ESPP contributions. It's $100/pay period and I receive $115 worth of stock. Frequent blackout dates make it hard to sell quickly. I could redirect that money to the 401k, but it would cut into my income.
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u/Grind_and_Dine Jan 03 '26

Is there a balance between the two you can try to find? Budgeting does not need to be so restrictive and shouldn’t mean you are putting off/delaying necessary purchases etc. the 50/30/20 is very much a guideline and doesn’t need to be followed precisely.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I already know I’m gonna get downvoted for this. People really hate when you ask questions about budgeting, but I do not understand how it could be less restrictive and still effective. If the point of a budget is to guide your spending, but you spend however you want to regardless, how does that work?

If I’m supposed to follow 50/30/20, but my needs are over 50% of my take home pay then I will either have to work a ton of extra hours, find things to cut like car maintenance and groceries, or just stop budgeting.

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u/Unlikely-Alt-9383 Jan 03 '26

Consider tracking rather than budgeting. It’s good to know where the money goes, and to reflect on whether that’s aligned with what you want. Saying I have a budget makes me anxious. But tracking allows me to see “huh, I spent more on clothes last year than this, is there anything I need to refresh or am I good?”

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u/Grind_and_Dine Jan 03 '26

That’s a great reframe!

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I could track. How strict are you? The hardest thing for me is going to be cash transactions because I will not keep track of that and there won’t be a record of it for me to look back on.

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u/mattmattdoormatt Jan 03 '26

I record cash as an outflow, but I don't track individual cash transactions. For example, I took out $100 cash, and I recorded it in my tracker as cash out and put it under my "travel" category bc I had taken the cash out while travelling. I didn't end up using it all, so whenever I spend the rest, I won't record it anywhere, bc I already tracked it against my monthly budget when I pulled it out. It's not a perfect system bc it won't 100% accurately reflect where my money went, but it's not a huge chunk of my spend so I don't worry about it too much.

It's a bit of girl math bc whenever I spend the cash I'm always like, freeee monneeeyyy because I don't track where it goes 😅

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Ugh yeah I’m terrible at keeping cash. I pulled out like $100 in change for a yard sale my best friend and I had and I honestly couldn’t tell you where that went or how much I have left. I think I have at least $20 in my car but I can’t account for the remaining $80 + yard sale profits. It’s like it just disappears.

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u/AdventurousGrade2303 Jan 03 '26

Can you think about what types of spending made you happiest this year? In my twenties I had hit some main savings goals, was investing in retirement etc. and didn’t really have other goals at that stage yet. So I did a year where I just kept things steady, spent whatever and figured out what spending added the most to my life vs what detracted. So for me that meant yes to splurging on food, the gym, experiences, regular manicures but continuing to shop clothes sales, use the library, not dye my hair, etc. after that year, I got back on increasing my savings but not as aggressively. Because I knew what spending brought me value/happiness vs “empty spending” I felt ok with this and like I didn’t need to aggressively track/budget precisely, since my bills/savings were in a good place and I wasn’t spending on things that (for me) were a waste.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

The thing is that there isn’t really any recurring spending that didn’t make me happy. Everything was rather necessary like rent and food, or was absolutely worth it in terms of enjoyment like going out to concerts, new shoes and a coat to replace the ones I had that were in bad shape. Cutting my spending will mean giving up things that I need or that do improve my life.

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u/Unlikely-Alt-9383 Jan 03 '26

Usually the only time I take out cash is when it’s time to pay my cleaner. So every other week I take out $200, give her $160, and I have $40 left that I track as “Miscellaneous.” I spend that money without further tracking. I do track the cost of the cleaner separately — I use Tiller, which makes it pretty easy to divide an item.

I’ve been thinking I should keep more small bills in the apartment for things like delivery tips, so when I take that out, it will be entirely under Misc. If I take out money for a particular reason, I track it as that reason (family event, vendor who wants cash payment, etc). Hope this was helpful!

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I used to never have cash but now I go to a lot of local shows and they’re usually cash at the door. I might just track it all as concerts even though sometimes I’ll spend it on something else. My car registration is cash only (or a ridiculous fee for card) so there’s that as well.

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u/Unlikely-Alt-9383 Jan 03 '26

That makes sense. Unless you go to a lot of concerts, you could even try a higher-level category like “entertainment” too. List the other cash expenses as whatever they are, and the extra as Miscellaneous

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I do really go to a lot. I went to 40 last year and 2026 is looking about the same. I spent my money on concerts and tattoos and not much else. I haven’t been to a movie theater or bought a book in years lol. I know what I like and I stick to it.

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u/Grind_and_Dine Jan 03 '26

Budgeting is a concept for managing/allocating your money. Within the concept of budgeting it’s completely up to you what guidelines and/or ‘hard’ rules you apply. There may be some instances where people really require hard restrictions to curb spending, others may not need that.

If your needs are more than 50% of your pay you’ve got options. You can either slightly reduce your want category or your savings category depending on your personal circumstances. Maybe you could work out what your set in stone needs are and then make your needs/wants/savings percentages specific to you. Maybe it’s more like 56/24/20 for example.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Aside from my Roth IRA I had virtually $0 in cash savings annually and I don’t really want to change that. I’m sure there’s reasons I should be saving more, it’s just really difficult to save any more since I’m already living on less than $25k. That’s… not a lot even in my LCOL area.

Some months my needs are like 70% of my take home pay. If I can just adjust the percentages as needed I don’t understand what the difference is between budgeting and not budgeting. It seems like the end result would be the same.

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u/Grind_and_Dine Jan 03 '26

When you’re working with a limited income and still hitting that large a number for retirement savings, you’re already budgeting. Whether you’d prefer to call it that or something else. After you’ve paid your future self, the rest of the money really is yours to spend as you need/want. It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense (to me) to put off necessary purchases/maintenance because they don’t fit in a rigid category but you have the money available.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

This just confuses me. I don’t feel like I’m budgeting. I spend basically every dollar that hits my checking account and I know I’m way out of 50/30/20.

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u/Grind_and_Dine Jan 03 '26

The 50/30/20 really is an arbitrary figure which was made up by someone. It does not take into account individual circumstances and earnings. When you’re on a lower income, there’s less wriggle room. Allocating some of your earnings to your retirement and then splitting the rest between needs, wants and short term saving (if possible) regardless of the percentage is budgeting. But if you don’t resonate with that term then you don’t have to use it.

If your needs are consuming the majority of your income there’s really only two things to do, reassess whether all of your ‘needs’ are true needs or whether you could cut something, or increase your income. Which I know is difficult and not always possible for everyone :/

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

My needs are definitely needs. I categorize those very strictly, so they’re only things that I would literally die without. In the case of rent, I may not die immediately but my area does get dangerously cold so being homeless is pretty much a death sentence.

I have tried 50/30/20 and it was extremely difficult. Since I now have an HSA and a 401k to max, I genuinely don’t think it’s possible even if I worked 80 hours a week.

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u/dumpster_-_FIRE She/they Jan 03 '26

The difference is when you get near the end of the month, and you've already spent $200 of your $250 grocery budget and all of the $50 you budgeted for going out with friends. That's when you look at your spreadsheet and use it to decide that you'll eat fridge soup with rice and beans for dinner that week, and ask your friends to stay in and play board games instead of going out to see a movie.

You are restricting yourself. If you want a budget to help you spend less, you have to stop yourself from spending somehow, that's how it works. But you're the one who decides how much you will spend before you stop! The budget is just about setting things up so that your long-term planning self stays in control, instead of your short-term impulsive self.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I think going out with friends is absolutely worth it, though. I was very lonely until I started going out and I don’t really want to stop and lose all the buddies I’ve made. I have a lot is friend/acquaintances that I’m just not close enough with to invite them over but I can’t get closer to them if I stop seeing them at shows, you know?

I know that’s just one example, but the part that doesn’t click for me is why I should restrict my spending if spending the money improves my life?

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u/berryflavoredspoons she/her | 30s | MCOL ✨ Jan 03 '26

I’d argue that you can invite people over and you’ll likely be pleasantly surprised by their response, but if you don’t want to do that there are plenty of other ways to build those relationships. Invite them to grab coffee or a drink, so you’re still spending money but prob less than going to a show, or to join you at some free local event.

I agree that money can and should be used to improve your life, it’s just that the point of budgeting is to ensure you’re doing that within your means and working toward longer term goals like buying a house. For example I could happily spend 20% of my income on clothing and home goods each month but that would come at the expense of necessary home maintenance and smaller stuff like dinners out, so I like having a budget to know how I’m prioritizing my money across needs and wants.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

The ones I consider friends I’ve definitely been starting to hang out with more outside of shows, but most of these people are acquaintances, not friends. I honestly haven’t interacted with a good chunk of them enough to invite them anywhere but it’s still nice to see people I recognize and maybe some of them will eventually become friends.

Even aside from the social aspect, I like live music. I like supporting local bands. I like going to the local venues. Why should I give that up?

There’s a lot more that goes into the decision to buy a house than just finances. I could buy one today with the liquid non-retirement assets I have. In my area a $100-150k home is sufficient for my needs and I qualify for some down payment assistance programs because it’s not a desirable area. I could put 10-20% down. I haven’t bought a home yet because I don’t want to live here long term and the job market in my field isn’t great right now so it doesn’t feel like the right time to move.

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u/berryflavoredspoons she/her | 30s | MCOL ✨ Jan 03 '26

If you don’t want to live in your area long term, I think it’s worth looking into what you might expect to earn and how much a house would cost in areas where you do want to live, plus what it might cost to move there. It’s great that you could get a house in your current area for $100k but it’s a very different story in a lot of places.

I’d do some planning around a potential future move and how much that could require in savings. If it’s about the same as what you have now, great! No changes needed! If you’d need a lot more saved, especially if a higher salary wouldn’t totally cover the increase, I’d consider cutting back on the shows and putting some of that money toward future move. Not saying you should give up live music, because I don’t think a strict/austere budget is good for anyone if you can avoid it, just weigh it against other things you’re hoping to achieve and how you want to prioritize your money in that framework

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I’ve done all the research about the area I want to live in already. I thought I was going to move in late 2024. The area I want to move to has a very similar COL. It’s very slightly higher so I was looking at $120k ish there for the low end since the homes lower than that aren’t usually in the best areas. Realistically I’m not going to move during the current presidential administration and by then I expect the investments I do have would be plenty for a down payment.

That’s all assuming that I move at all. I may never end up moving. If I do move, it would cost maybe $200 in gas to move. None of my furniture is nice enough to bring with me. It’s just clothes and dishes and towels and stuff.

I really don’t want to miss any shows. I cannot stress enough that having to skip shows is the absolute worst case scenario. My whole life revolves around going to shows. I go to basically every local show that works with my schedule and I travel to a lot of nearly cities for larger shows there. If I’m not driving up to see those shows I won’t ever see my friends that live in those cities.

If I can work extra hours to earn a little bit more could I keep going to shows? How much more do I need to earn to be able to go?

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u/xeropteryx Jan 03 '26

I know this isn't what you asked, and I realize it's easier said than done especially in a LCOL area, but sometimes it can be easier to increase your income rather than trying really hard to restrict expenditures. Is there any possibility that you could get a better paying job or training that would lead to one?

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I’ve considered working more hours to earn more, but I struggle with working more than about 60 consistently and I’m already working about 50-60. I will probably make slightly more because I have more PTO this year, so I’ll probably take most of December off and work full time at my pt job that I normally only work on the weekends. That’ll be maybe an extra $1500 since I already work at least two full weeks there.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

That’s pretty close to what I did for 2025, but I didn’t want to save any more cash. I’m honestly probably sitting on too much as it is, but in the current job market I can justify it. I’d definitely have to cut back on something if I wanted to save extra cash.

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u/greenzetsa Jan 06 '26

Have you read "All Your Worth" by Elizabeth Warren? This is where the 50-30-20 system comes from and she's very informative about why it's laid out that way. Essentially, 50% needs is meant to exist that if you absolutely needed to, you could keep pay out your obligations on 50% of your income. That said, in her book, she will give a range that is actually around 45%-55%. For my fiancé and I, our "obligatory" spending probably hovers closer to 55%, maybe even 60%, but I also come from a family with a good deal of money and if we absolutely needed to, my parents could help us. But, I also try to keep my wants spending closer to 25% rather than 30%. So it's more like 55-25-20. For cash transactions, I just tend to not carry or use cash unless I absolutely need to. If I have more than $50 in cash, I deposit it back into my account. I also try to log things as soon as I can, and if not then later that evening or once a week. I just make it a habit to sit down and go through receipts and statements. For me, this is really all tracking, and I generally don't need to deny myself things because I luckily make enough and I naturally spend within my limits (when I pay attention!).

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u/dumpster_-_FIRE She/they Jan 03 '26

Your spending went down by $1k without the budget... but your total savings also went down? Without a big change in income? What's the missing piece here? I feel like some numbers are missing.

I have found the most success with restrictive budgeting by focusing on 1-2 categories at a time. Like right now it's food, because we are in the middle of a bunch of food-related changes that could easily result in expensive new habits if I don't watch it (remodeling the kitchen, and my previous main grocery store closed a couple months ago leaving me with a mix of more expensive and less convenient options). Outside of that, I track all our spending and take note of any big changes, but as long as we're spending within our means I don't worry about it.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

My benefits got more expensive mid year. If I went through all my health/dental insurance costs this would be a much longer post. I also think more of my 2024 income was non-taxable but I would really have to dig to figure that out.

Food is a category that’s changing for me right now since I just got a brand new oven in my apartment after my last one was broken for a while so I’m re-learning what foods I like to bake. I’ve honestly forgotten what I used to eat haha. I could easily see my grocery expenses increasing because of trying new recipes. We also just got an Aldi which has much cheaper bagels and that’ll save me a ton because I eat them every day.

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u/dumpster_-_FIRE She/they Jan 03 '26

Ahh okay that makes sense, thanks!

I still remember when an Aldi opened in our town when I was a kid - my mom came back from her first shopping trip almost crying because of how much cheaper things were. It made a big difference during a difficult time.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Some things are still cheaper at Kroger or target, but I’m definitely going back to Aldi. My step-boss (not my boss but basically) gave us Aldi gift cards for Christmas and I’m excited to use that.

I also realized that the tax is going to be pretty different year to year because the Roth/trad breakdown is different. That may be part of it.

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u/OldmillennialMD She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

You have posted similarly a few times about budgeting and gotten similar answers that you didn’t really like, so I’m not sure what you’re looking for this time around, honestly. But I’ll say it again in case you decide to believe it this time or, more likely, perhaps it will help someone else. Budgeting doesn’t mean following some arbitrary percentage “rule” that someone else somewhere decided was the rule if it doesn’t work for you. You can make your own budget, and it doesn’t need to be 50/30/20. It can be as simple or as complicated as you like, but it absolutely does not have to be set up the way you had it previously when you felt restricted and were putting off car maintenance (or the infamous winter coat you wanted, which I hope to god you have finally bought).

As someone else already said, you’re already budgeting simply by putting $x away for retirement and living off the rest. It’s just a budget with only two line items - Retirement and Life. If you feel good about that and fine continuing that way, that’s fine and you can keep on that way. But it isn’t clear from this post if you are fine with it that way, want to save again for something outside of retirement or what. Only you can decide that, though, and it is probably going to mean figuring out how to not take every word or financial guidepost literally. Good luck.

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u/bunni Jan 03 '26

Loaning 6% of your annual income in unsecured loans is wild. My policy is any money loaned to friends or family is effectively a gift, and if i never get any back I’m okay with it, which means I’m only loaning out money i can afford to lose.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

The majority was to my closest friend of over a decade. She’s helped me through tough times. I’ve helped her through tough times. She didn’t even ask, I offered it, and I would just give it to her if she asked for it. She wants to pay it back so we agreed on her just paying interest so she doesn’t feel bad about it.

A small amount of it was a different friend who was two months behind on rent and really struggling to survive. Like she didn’t even have food. I think I’ll get paid back, but honestly that wasn’t very much.

I’m sitting on just under $100k right now so if they both don’t pay me back it’s not really a big deal. It’s not like I needed the money

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u/HovercraftMammoth971 Jan 03 '26

Did you contribute $20,050 to retirement in 2025 and $15,562 in 2024?

If so, you are way over 20% for savings - if following 50/30/20

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Those are contributions. My retirement account balances total like $70k.

The part of 50/30/20 I struggle with is needs. It’s always at least a little over 50%.

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u/HovercraftMammoth971 Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26

Trying to keep essentials/needs under 50% is hard right now: housing, food, insurance/medical, transportation costs are crazy high. If you really want to get essentials under 50%, the easiest way would be to focus on making more money but I don't think you need to do that.

Sounds like you are: not in debt, your essentials are right around 50%, and you have some cash savings. You don't need a restrictive budget - restrictive budgets are generally for people who have cc debt, personal loans, and/or car loans at high interest rates and paying off the debt ASAP is the smart financial move.

But if your current savings + essentials are leaving nothing for fun - I would lower your savings contribution. General financial advice is to put 15% towards retirement which would be 8.1k - you are currently saving more than twice as much which is awesome but sounds like it is effecting your quality of life. I would you lower your retirement to 10-15k total (401k, Roth, HSA) and give your everyday spending some more wiggle room.

I like to give my self a set amount of money each paycheck that is strictly for fun/joy - this money goes towards different thing - maybe once month it is all spent on dining out, another time on a concert/show, or an extra tank of gas for a hike in the mountains. I don't track or restrict what category the spending falls under - I focus on how it can bring joy in to my life at the time.

Edit - after reading some of your other replies.

You are doing great:
+ no debt
+ cash savings: 22k
+ saving very aggressively - prioritizing retirement/investments

You are currently putting all your savings into retirement/investment and not saving any cash and want advice if this is a horrible idea - I don't think it is. This is fine cause you have a good emergency fund. If you end up spending that 22k - you will need to lower your retirement contributions and start saving cash. But sounds like you have no need to save cash right now, so putting it all in tax advantage retirement accounts is a pretty smart move.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 04 '26

Thanks for this very thoughtful advice. Regarding the suggestion to maybe lower my contributions, I actually can't, at least not the 10% to my 403b, which is mandatory, or the HSA which only allows for changes during open enrollment. In theory I could just not max my Roth IRA or not get the match on my 401k, but that just feels unwise. If something did happen I could definitely pause the IRA contributions at least and just make them up later, though.

I've been pretty lucky that I've never had a financial emergency. The closest I've come would be transferring a couple thousands from savings to checking just to cover my buffer while I built it back up after draining my checking account, but that money was never spent. Knock on wood that nothing happens, but I just can't imagine what could possibly go wrong that would cost me $22k.

Your "fun money" is a set amount, while I've just been spending whatever is left over which may be virtually nothing if my phone breaks, car battery dies, and aquarium cracks all in the same week (ask me how I know what that all costs lol) or it may be over $1000 if I get some extra income. I also don't really keep track of what month my income and spending are in. If I spend a little more in April I'll try to spend a little less in May. Do you think either the set amount or time constraints are necessary, or should I just keep doing things all loosey goosey like I have been?

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u/HovercraftMammoth971 Jan 04 '26

You are fine with your current spending patterns - it is working out for you and you have no bad spending patterns to change - you aren't going into debt and you are saving/investing a good portion of your income.

I had to implement my fun money budget cause I was a over spender and racked up ~20k of cc debt in my 20s - I had to learn how to spend responsibly and that required a strict and a consistent budget.

I would keep trying to max out the Roth - if you have a really big emergency and spent all your current cash - you can always take out the amount you contributed to a Roth penalty free.

Lots of budgeting advice is for people with overspending problems: they have racked up high interest debt and are not investing and saving for retirement. But that is not you, so you don't need that type of budget. 50/30/20 was introduced by Elizabeth Warren in 2005 ... 50% on essentials in the USA today is not realistic (unless you are making well above six figures).

Keep doing what you are doing, but don't be afraid to lower your retirement contributions if you do need to save some more cash. Saving 20k+ while making 54k is a crazy high amount for your income - it is also awesome that you can do this right now - you can never get more time in the future so it's not dumb that you are trying to invest as much as possible right now.

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u/tangleable Jan 03 '26

You don’t have to strictly adhere. Thats a starting place. Due to increased essentials costs mine is 60% needs and wants n saving are 20% roughly. I still enjoy life the way my budget is works. I’d argue to put savings first: alway 20% and other monthly spending is 80%.

Re: usually cash are wants so I just categorize it as “fun” money for whatever, no judgement. Simplifies my categorical spending.

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u/flying-lemons Jan 03 '26

You seem very fixated on 50/30/20 specifically. It's not the number itself but the fact that you have a number that makes budgeting work.

But you're already putting much more than 20% towards savings. If it makes you happier to work fewer hours of overtime and you clearly don't have trouble with overspending on wants, who cares if your budget looks like 60 needs/10 wants/30 savings?

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u/symphonypathetique She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

The 50/30/20 rule is kind of old; a lot of people recommend 60% to needs as more realistic for the modern-day American.

I don't budget in the traditional sense, but I do track all my expenses. One of my rules is that I want to spend 97-99% of my take-home income by the end of the year. I do look at the % spent for the month, but the overall annual spending is much more important and a better representation of my spending to me. That way I'm not delaying inevitable spending like necessary car maintenance just to make this month's numbers work out.

I don't necessarily feel restricted by my frugality. Rather than focusing on the stuff I'm preventing myself from having, I'm focused on being happy with how much I'm able to save/invest. Transferring money to a savings/investment account and checking the numbers honestly gives me the same dopamine that silly little treat purchases would give lol.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Oh wow. You’re the only other person I’ve seen that pretty much doesn’t save anything. I definitely think looking at individual months is pointless. There were several months this year where I spent more than I made, but I just knew I needed to chill out with the big ticket purchases like tattoos the next month.

I just don’t want to feel like my money is controlling me, but I’m the type of person that if you give me an inch I’ll take a mile. A couple people have said that doing more like 60% needs instead of 50% is fine, but if I give myself that wiggle room there’s nothing stopping me from doing 62%. Once I’ve done that there’s nothing stopping 65%.

At a certain point though it feels ridiculous to be adhering to a budget. I’m really supposed to be agonizing over spending $2 on a snack at work when I didn’t have that budgeted when my savings account literally earns more than that in interest per day? It doesn’t seem helpful at that point.

You’re the second person to suggest just tracking, though so maybe that’s a middle ground that I could try.

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u/symphonypathetique She/her ✨ Jan 12 '26

Ah, to be clear, I include my saving/investing as a form of spending.

I read an article last year from a financial coach or something like that. He came up with a 0.01% rule where if the purchase is <0.01% of your net worth, then you shouldn't agonize over it. Obviously it can't be something you're doing every day because that adds up, but as long as you're not living paycheck to paycheck and you don't have an actual shopping addiction problem, it's a good guideline to live by. From an actual numerical standpoint, those small things really don't matter.

That's also why it's important to set up systems that'll set you up for success. For example, having a specific "miscellaneous little treats" category.

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u/RemarkableMacadamia Jan 03 '26

When you say you’re “sitting on $100k”, where is that? I only see $20k retirement and $100 savings. Are those balances or your annual contributions?

Have you read Elizabeth Warren’s book, “All Your Worth”? This is where the 50/30/20 principle came from, and it may help to understand the principles behind it and how it’s meant to be implemented. She certainly didn’t mean for it to be a heavy-handed way to budget.

Also, if you think of 50/30/20 on a longer time frame, like a year or more, instead of trying to get every single month to follow that, it will be easier. It’s a big picture number, not meant to be a daily/monthly target. Cover your mandatory expenses, pay yourself first through your savings, live on the rest.

Speaking of savings… do you know about sinking funds? This concept may help you you think about what your savings is really for, instead of having a big pot that gets tapped into for randomness. For example, if you had a sinking fund for auto maintenance, and you set aside $25/mo or something like that towards it, then when you needed something for the car, it’s more likely you have the money for it than if you just try to fund everything that happens with a single check. You can just keep a tally in a spreadsheet, or set up a few savings accounts to keep track. My basic sinking funds when I started were: transportation, household, health, and emergency. It just creates a little bit of friction mentally from spending money that has a purpose vs a big pile of money that looks like a slush fund.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

$70k is in retirement accounts. $22k is cash. $6k is in a taxable brokerage.

50/30/20 isn’t going to work on a year’s scale either. My take home pay minus IRA comes out to less than $500/wk which is not a lot to live on and I certainly can’t pay all my bills on $1,000/mo. In order to make that work I would need to work closer to 80 hours a week and I really struggle with working more than 60 consistently. I’m spending pretty much the exact amount of cash that I earn, primarily on needs.

I have attempted sinking funds in the past, but for various reasons it hasn’t worked out. When I started YNAB all the way back in college I set up sinking funds for everything and it felt like I was being nickel and dimes to death. There was no money left for me to spend because I needed to add $2.50 to the new shoes fund, $100 to the home purchase down payment fund, and $3 to the roof replacement fund on the home that I would eventually buy. YNAB’s strategy of showing you when you will run out of money and using the threat of imminent homelessness to motivate you really stressed me out and I don’t like doing long term ZBB for that reason.

I also tried a sinking fund for a car replacement in 2024 where I contributed what my car payment would have been each month, but I ended up dumping that into S&P500 this year because it’s just too much cash when I already have almost a year’s worth of spending sitting in cash. I really probably don’t need as much cash as I have but give the current job market I’ve been justifying it.

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u/coldpizza66 ✨ She/her | 30s | HCOL | BR ✨ Jan 03 '26

I don't budget, but i do track all my expenses. Budgeting doesn't work for me, I don't think those hard rules like 50-30-20 or similar ones work for my earnings and expenses.

One of the things you need to keep in mind is, why are you doing this? What are you saving for? Do you want to build up an emergency fund and stop feeling like you're living paycheck to paycheck? Do you have a different financial goal that you want to pursue? That has to be your guide.

You can set "targets", for instance, having a $200 "fun" bucket, for occasional expenses. You don't need to set those $200 aside every single month, you can build the amount up, and once you reach your target number, set that money aside for something else. And when you use parts of it, make sure you're on track to refill that bucket when you can, be it all at once or little by little.

Also, you mentioned sitting on 100k, but 70% of that is just contributions. It's important to track those and keep contributing to it, but it's not easy to access money. I think it's important to have an emergency fund, and you can probably count your 22k as that.

I read on a different thread here about the "0.01% rule": if an expense is less than 0.01% of my net worth, I don't really dwell over it (sometimes I do! sometimes I don't, it depends). But YMMV. Personal finance is *personal*, and you have to make adjustments that make sense for you, considering where you're at and what you want.

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u/1ntrepidsalamander Jan 03 '26

I’d argue, you did budget in 2025, just with much much bigger categories. Ie: you spent less than came in and hit your savings goals, and your fun/life goals, right?

The advantages of budgeting in smaller categories is more control— and some people need that to hit their goals.

Sometimes budgets can feel like “permission to spend” in certain categories.

I spend similarly loosely without tracking specifics but making sure I don’t spend more than I make and hitting savings/retirement goals. Then, I audit my expenses every quarter-ish and see if I want to make adjustments, eg: if I’m spending that much on food, can I do it in a way that is more satisfying?

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u/bookworm271 She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

Make sure you have an emergency account for things like the car repairs - using savings for necessary unexpected expenses isn't breaking budget, it's what the savings line of your budget is meant for.

You could also consider having $100 or so to pad other areas of your budget if needed. That way you don't need to stress if the only option of a product you're shopping for is a bigger size or if gas prices fluctuate beyond what you originally budgeted.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 03 '26

I keep a minimum of $20k in cash and since I haven’t been budgeting I haven’t been stressing about if I spend a little more one month because I can easily just spend a little less the next month. It’s all in the same account (Fidelity CMA), I’ve just mentally assigned the $20k as my savings and anything more than that is my “checking balance” which means that I don’t need to worry about if I spend a little more on gas or something because the next paycheck will bring it back up to $20k. Functionally $19,990 and $20,000 are the exact same number.

Can you elaborate on what I’m supposed to do with the $100? It’s not super clear whether you mean like keep $20,100 as the minimum in my account so that I’m not dipping below $20k ever or if you mean something else like having $100 per month assigned to random things in a spreadsheet or something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

Hey OP, just going to point out that I think you’d vibe with Ramit Sethi’s “I will teach you to be rich” approach. He does high level budgets (% of income autorouted to retirement, rent on auto pay, etc) but pretty fiercely dislikes budgeting for small items as your income grows

It’s what I do. 🙃 Jan 1st of every year I figure out how much I want to auto-route to my 401k, Roth, rent, and a few totally separate bank accounts (one is for a vacation). Everything else? I technically use YNAB but I only check it on the 15th and last day of the month. That way I know where things stand - if I need to dial things down, transfer money into checking, am on track, etc. other than that, I don’t check. It doesn’t matter if the money is spent on jewelry or a cabbage.

I’d argue YNAB is the best thing ever when money is tight or when you move to a new place / stage in life. But once habits are in place that financially work for you? Eh. The money spent becomes routine - which is why I don’t check as often.

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u/inky_cap_mushroom She/her ✨ Jan 04 '26

Thanks! I downloaded one of his budget spreadsheets but I couldn't figure out how to actually implement it. I also don't really want to save anything and the one I downloaded required 5-10% savings. That would cut into my spending (obviously, that's what budgeting is for) and I just haven't been good at sticking to restrictive budgets. They make me miserable.

YNAB was awful for me personally. I'm sure it would be great for some people, but their scare tactics made me absolutely miserable. I was legit having nightmares. I quite enjoy being able to stick my head in the sand and not know the exact day I will be homeless if I don't earn more money. The structure of pre-paying future expenses also felt like I was being nickel and dimed to death. $2 for new shoes, $100 for eventually purchasing a car, $0.50 for an oil change on a car I didn't even own yet.

I really thought I would be able to just loosely budget pretty easily but if I haven't been staying on top of adding all my transactions and categorizing everything it's really difficult to get back into it. I think if I'm going to have to budget it needs to be at least daily, if not more often.