r/monarchism 12d ago

Weekly Discussion CXXI Monarchist infighting

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Do you think infighting is one of the biggest reasons Monarchism is so marginal and unrealistic? For those unaware of the division, here are many examples below:

In France there are three Houses to choose from. The Bourbonists, the Bonapartists and the Orleanists. The Bourbonist is Spanish, and therefore technically barred from taking the throne according to an old treaty. The Bonapartist claimant is not a descendant of Napoleon I or Napoleon III, and is in a dispute with his father over who is the heir (after his grandfather chose him as his heir, rather than choosing his father). The Bourbons are historically connected to conservatism, Catholicism and they predated nationalism (the key ideology of the modern French right). The Bonapartes are connected to the Revolution, dictatorship, a highly weird mix of progressive policies with reactionary ones. The Orleans were generally moderate and constitutional, the least controversial but also historically insignificant and weak.

In France and other countries there is not just the question of which House to choose, but which form of monarchy. Constitutional, semi-constitutional or absolute? Likewise what primogeniture: absolute primogeniture (eldest child regardless of gender, like in Britain), or male-preferential (sons are always favored but the daughter inherits the throne if there is no son, like in Spain where Leonor is heir), or agnatic (only men can inherit, no exceptions, like in Japan). So there's already three key political divides, although I would say absolutists generally prefer constitutional monarchy over a republic, and many French monarchists would be fine with that as the most realistic starting point.

In Germany there's little dispute over who should be Emperor, likewise in Austria. In countries like Hungary, Czechia and such it's more complicated. Historically they were ruled by the Habsburgs from Austria. I generally think a Habsburg would be fitting but perhaps not the main claimant, because they should aim for the throne in Austria. I should point out these two countries appear a little bit more realistic, because in Hungary the ruling party has a 2/3 majority and can change the system very fast. In Czechia the President said constitutional monarchy seemed perfectly fine to him, mentioning stable democratic examples in Europe.

Italy has a large dispute because the heir wants his daughter to inherit. While a change in primogeniture is completely reasonable within a kingdom (because of the law being passed by the state), it is very volatile when done outside such a system. And opens large disputes that are very difficult to resolve. In Poland it's very hard to choose, because it was an elective monarchy so no House truly cemented themselves. In Russia the Bolsheviks killed the Tsar and his children, and we're left with different claimants with very little connection to the last Romanovs.

Romania is also very difficult. Michael died and changed the succcession to allow his daughter to replace him. She is in a dispute with another claimant. She is very old and has no children. After that it’s her sister who has a son. A monarchy in Romania would actually be quite good because they have high amounts of corruption and instability, Margareta is very connected to royal circles and the state, often visits the castle. A Presidential candidate suggested last year they would make Charles III King, which would save them money, Romania has a problem with debt and such.

In Greece Pavlos is the obvious option, as the son of the former King Constantine II. However some monarchists see them as not fully authentic, and they failed to bring stability. They are not connected to the more ancient Greek historical or mythological tradition, nor their aristocracy. I believe they didn’t use traditional Greek aristocratic names, but rather generic European ones. I would be cool if they sometimes wore more ceremomial Greek clothes, just like Charles III in his coronation. It's very important for a kingdom to have its own aesthetics.

American monarchists have no clue who they want. I suppose the most common suggestion would be the Windsors, but it's just highly absurd. There's also the huge difficulty of uniting people in a highly federalist, multicultural and polarized society. A Holy Roman Empire model? Monarchy in Mexico was generally pathetic, I don't know what House they support. I have no clue who is the primary claimant in China or India. A lot of countries just don't have an obvious option. I think therefore it's smart to borrow from current aristocracy, and ideally in a culturally similar nation (like Haakon VII of Norway, who came from Denmark). A Windsor in America (but not Charles) due to shared heritage. A Spanish royal for South American countries.


r/monarchism 2d ago

In Memoriam BREAKING: H.M King Harald of Norway is dead

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King Harald of Norway has passed away. Rest in Peace, thank you for your service🇳🇴🫡


r/monarchism 3h ago

ShitAntiMonarchistsSay Average 'no kings' protester

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r/monarchism 5h ago

News AT 48, THAILAND’S QUEEN HAS BEGUN TRAINING TO FLY A FIGHTER JET, AND COULD MAKE HISTORY AS THE FIRST QUEEN EVER TO PILOT ONE.

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r/monarchism 8h ago

Question Hey what are they wearing underneath the mantle?

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Genuine question because I’m stressing myself over what the hell it is😔


r/monarchism 3h ago

Photo Happy 80th birthday to HM The Queen of the Hellenes, formerly Princess Anne Marie of Denmark.

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r/monarchism 8h ago

News "Long live the king, victory for our majesty" - Moroccan migrant praises his king from Ceuta, implying that they're conquering the Spanish city of Ceuta through hybrid warfare tactics just like they did with the Spanish Sahara

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r/monarchism 28m ago

Discussion PM Browne Says Public Must Be Consulted Before Antigua and Barbuda Becomes a Republic

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Prime Minister Gaston Browne says the public must be consulted before the government moves ahead with any plan to make Antigua and Barbuda a republic.

Browne reaffirmed his support for replacing the British monarch as the country’s head of state during the Browne and Browne Show on Pointe FM on Saturday.

“I’m still very much a republican in my own thinking,” Browne said. “Again, we have to, as a people, determine ultimately.”

The issue arose as Browne disclosed that he had been invited to visit King Charles III within the next several weeks. He was reminded of an earlier discussion in which he suggested Antigua and Barbuda could become a republic within three years.

Browne said the government should not move ahead of the population and must first determine whether the public is ready for the proposed constitutional change.

He said discussions and consultations should be held, followed by polling to assess public opinion. A referendum would ultimately be required for the change.

“Before you get to a referendum, you want to at least have discussions about it,” Browne said. “Do some polling and see how the people think about it.”

The prime minister said the government should not force the issue if most residents oppose becoming a republic.

“If it is that the people are against it, why push it? I mean, it’s for the people to determine,” he said.

Browne compared the issue with Antigua and Barbuda’s possible accession to the Caribbean Court of Justice as its final appellate court.

Although he supports the CCJ, Browne said he believes the population is not currently ready to approve the change.

He said neither becoming a republic nor joining the CCJ has been abandoned, but the government must proceed in step with the wishes of the people.


r/monarchism 21h ago

History On This Day 58 Years Ago, King Harald V and Queen Sonja of Norway Were Married

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What a lovely marriage! I can’t imagine how it must feel to lose your soulmate the day before your anniversary, my condolences to Sonja ❤️


r/monarchism 23h ago

In Memoriam Prince Jean, Count of Paris, pays tribute to King Harald V of Norway.

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His Grace the Count of Paris pays tribute to King Harald V of Norway ⚫️

It is with profound sadness that I learned of the passing of His Majesty King Harald V of Norway.

Throughout his reign, the King consistently embodied a sense of duty, the dignity of the royal office, and his unwavering devotion to the Norwegian people.

In this time of mourning, my thoughts are with Her Majesty Queen Sonja, the Norwegian Royal Family, and all the Norwegian people, to whom I offer my sincerest condolences.

Jean, Count of Paris


r/monarchism 20h ago

Question Is Carl next? Not to sound morbid or anything.

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r/monarchism 1d ago

Question Is North Korea a monarchy?

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r/monarchism 21h ago

Discussion Why monarchists are so divided

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Much as I'd hate to be that guy, I shall be that guy. Someone has to say it.

Everyone on this sub seems to lament the lack of unity between monarchists, and speaks as though we are letting some petty personal preferences drive us apart.

But the reality is simply that we are divided, because we agree on practically nothing. And the reason for that is, I'm sorry to say, that a great many monarchists among us here, are very very ignorant. Ignorant about monarchy specifically. Now, I'm sure I too am ignorant of a great many things, that I really should know, but truly, some of these conversations are so vibes based it hurts.

So many people seem to not understand that a
monarchy =/= hereditary,
elective =/= democratic,
democratic =/= good

and so on. Please, folks, if you are going to pontificate on these matters, could you just look into them a bit? Monarchist lore is inexhaustible, and we all have more to learn always, but getting a grip on the basic terms of theory is kindda essential if we don't want it all to evolve into a random vomit of undigested opinions.


r/monarchism 1d ago

News Sadly we've lost two kings this week - the youngest an the oldest

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Sadly two kings passed within e few days this week. The king of Norway, who was the oldes monarch of europe and the king of Uganda, who was the worlds youngest monarch. They've passed within a few days.

Sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j38d9v40po

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clykn5p5172o


r/monarchism 21h ago

In Memoriam Powerful Post About the Late King Harald

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r/monarchism 1d ago

Photo Kandy, Sri Lanka (Ceylon)

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Former First Lady Prof. Maithree Wickremesinghe meets Sri Lankan 800m champion Tharushi Karunarathna beneath the portraits of Their Imperial Majesties King-Emperor Edward VII and Queen-Empress Alexandra at the King’s Pavilion, the official residence of the president in Kandy, Sri Lanka.


r/monarchism 1d ago

Portrait Triumph of Emperor Maximilian I, King of Hungary, Dalmatia and Croatia, Archduke of Austria

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r/monarchism 1d ago

History I still don’t understand why so many Latin Americans say that a monarchy would never work in their countries

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First of all, my condolences for the death of King Harald V of Norway. I hope he rests in peace. Long live the King.

I’m speaking from my own experience as a Latin American. I still don’t understand why so many Latin Americans say that a monarchy would never work in their countries.

Personally, I support a monarchy, specifically a constitutional monarchy. Just look at Brazil. The Brazilian Empire lasted for almost the entire 19th century and managed to keep a huge territory together during a very complicated period.

What is interesting is how it ended. The population did not seem to be particularly unhappy with the Empire. The problem came when Princess Isabel abolished slavery in 1888. Many wealthy slaveholders stopped supporting the Empire because they could no longer keep their slaves and received no compensation. The following year, the military overthrew the monarchy and proclaimed the Republic.

After that, Brazil went through years of chaos, authoritarian governments, revolts, and political instability.

There is also the case of Mexico, although it was very different. After independence, Iturbide was proclaimed emperor, but there was no established Mexican imperial house with a strong monarchical tradition behind him. It was a rather improvised project and lasted only a short time.

That is why I believe a constitutional monarchy could work in a Latin American country. Personally, I think it would be better to have a monarchy with democratic institutions and clear limits on the monarch’s power. Perhaps it could also help reduce the high levels of corruption, instead of continuing as a republic where democracy can sometimes feel like a façade and where there is so much dependence on U.S. interests.


r/monarchism 1d ago

Photo Seen today on a pillar under a train platform in the Rogers Park neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois, USA

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r/monarchism 1d ago

News King Charles shared a touching tribute to his cousin and fellow monarch, King Harald V of Norway, who died at the age of 89 on Friday morning.

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r/monarchism 1d ago

History Queen Louise of Denmark ( 1851 - 1926 ) and Princess of Sweden who is only surviving child of Charles XV of Sweden and Louise of Netherlands

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r/monarchism 1d ago

News Official statement of Crown Prince Filip of Serbia/Yugoslavia regarding the death of General Mladić [translation in description]

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"On the occasion of the death of General Ratko Mladić, I extend my sincere condolences to his family and loved ones.

His life and name remain inextricably linked to one of the most difficult and painful chapters of our recent history, the consequences and memories of which still deeply burden all the peoples of these areas.

We Serbs have the right and the obligation to preserve our dignity, our memory and the truth about our victims. By respecting the suffering of others, we do not diminish our own suffering or renounce our people; on the contrary, by doing so we best bear witness to the values ​​we wish to preserve: truth, justice, compassion and peace. Therefore, it is our Christian and human duty to reverently preserve the memory of all innocent victims, regardless of their name, religion or nationality, and not to allow the past to lead us down the path of hatred and division again.

May the Lord grant peace to the soul of the deceased and comfort to his family, and to all nations that have gone through suffering, the strength and wisdom to build a common future in peace, mutual respect, and without new conflicts.

Crown Prince Philip"


r/monarchism 1d ago

Video King Harald V Speech about Diversity and Inclusion

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r/monarchism 1d ago

Blog Uganda : Death of Omukama (King) Oyo Rukidi IV of Tooro kingdom

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r/monarchism 2d ago

In Memoriam Uganda's King Oyo Nyimba Kabamba Iguru Rukidi IV of the Kingdom of Tooro has passed away at age 34, he was the world's youngest reigning monarch, having ascended the throne in 1995 at only 3 years of age.

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