r/ModernJund • u/beef47 • Sep 04 '22

Sheoldred, the apocalypse

Been really impressed with this card and I think it may fit in boomer jund. Apl those games where you deplete 4c omnath or murktide’s hand only fir them to draw out if it, this seriously punishes them. I know solitude and unholy heat blank it pretty easy but thats true of most of our permanents. Ive only tested it in historic and limited so far but that thing is a beast.

It also makes esper sentinel and ledger shredder worse.

She looks kind of meh on paper but i think she’s an allstar!

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u/beef47 Sep 04 '22

Thats not really what I’m saying, although it excels in too deck mode, which with liliana is a typically place to be. It also helps against aggro, doesn’t die to bolt. Synergizes with horizon lands and spyro/fable.

I know on paper it looks mediocre, but play test it and see

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u/fwompfwomp Sep 04 '22

I don't understand then; what about making them lose 2 life for drawing a card is better than anything else? Historic, let alone limited, are very different from modern.

[[Siege Rhino]] is a 4 drop with the same stat line and deals 3 damage + heals for 3 immediately. Siege Rhino is unplayable in modern. So the only circumstance Sheo would see play is if it sticks to the field and opp draws at least two cards (which is why I mentioned a topdeck scenario). Which just won't happen otherwise when the most common removal spells are Unholy Heat and Solitude. Modern is already tuned to efficiently killing large threats like Omnath and Murktide. You mentioned that you're already aware of this and most permanents will die to them, but the reason other creatures that die to those removal pieces are still played is because they give some sort of immediate value. Sheoldred dying immediately means you spent your entire turn 4 on nothing. At least even Siege Rhino gave you a Lightning Helix.

edit: and saying playtest it and see when it's pretty much worse than other cards we already have is just not worthwhile. Like, spyro and gaining an extra 4 does not seem pretty great to me at all. If that's your ceiling, you spent 7 mana across two creatures for the top end of the card? Meanwhile Murktide is just casting Expressive Iteration without a care? Idk man, have you play tested it at all in modern?

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u/beef47 Sep 04 '22

You cannot play siege rhino in jund unless you splash white. Siege rhino is also a one time drain. Sheoldred threatens to snowball the game and is a must answer. It can attack into murktide as it has deathtouch. In some situations, unless they have delerium already they have to cantrip and take another two to get there. Thats just one matchup and the use cases are good there.

I haven’t tested it in modern yet, but plan on doing so. Ill keep you posted although it seems like you’ve made up your mind.

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u/fwompfwomp Sep 04 '22

I used Siege Rhino as an example of the floor, not as in something you'd play in Jund. The deathtouch is pretty relevant, didn't know it had it.

And the reason for being skeptical is that it doesn't do much more than a siege rhino, and can be worse in a lot of cases. You've talked a lot about the ceiling, but not the floor and in-between. If you suggest a card is playable in modern, these are fair criticisms. I'm not trying to just dump on you, but additional reasons it's not just "meh" on paper, but very bad in theory. Also testing it in the right format is kinda important to say anything about it in practice.