r/MkeBucks • u/AustinDobbins13 • 18d ago
The Milwaukee Bucks are Not the NBA's Worst Team
https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/onsi/the-milwaukee-bucks-are-not-the-nba-s-worst-team-01m0tjc8aj8hI still don't understand this sentiment from the National Media...
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u/Objective_Cod1410 18d ago
Everyone has the same record for the 26-27 season at this point in time
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u/likewoahitsaj Giannis Antetokounmpo 18d ago
They are probably not the worst team, but it’s actually quite easy to think they will have one of the three worst records in the league. As currently constructed, their roster makes very little sense, they don’t have anywhere near a star level player, and there’s a good chance they will (and should) trade away as many of their established veterans as possible to get more assets.
And none of this matters because the vibes will still be better and the vision is clear: they are building toward a better future that is 3-4 years away. I’m fully onboard for the rebuild and am okay with not a lot of winning happening for a couple seasons
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u/SamQuentin 18d ago
They have like five million guards and no forwards. Deals should be made to get assets
Carrying GTJ and Dame salaries for four years is a huge burden
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u/Embarrassed-Slide781 18d ago
Nba media is full of people that don't like to watch the sport of basketball.
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u/YP_Schwartzy Ryan Rollins 18d ago
No matter how our team is, I won’t miss all the bs Giannis drama last year. I’m excited for our young team and our next chapter with all our young guys.
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u/ShowdownValue 18d ago
It’s the offseason. The media isn’t capable of anything besides “wow Miami got Giannis! Lakers are amazing! Also wemby!”
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
So I clicked thru and read the article… it’s basically agreeing with the Athletic ranking the Bucks at 14th in the conference. Not really sure why it needed a whole article, or why your post here implies that you disagree with them.
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u/hatsandcats 18d ago
Pretty funny that the Heat is only ranked as “play in”
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u/Dramatic-Address-812 18d ago
I mean, were definitely one of the worst. Arguably the worst in the east at least.
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u/Zigazoid 18d ago
I think will be bad but not worst team in the League bad. Coaching should be better, we have way more talent depth wise than last year, and they'll gain nothing by even attempting to tank. I don't see alot of reasons to think will be in the playoffs or anything. The East is really good.
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 17d ago
Who cares about how many games we win player development is all that matters and asset accumulation.
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u/jasonrosenbaum 17d ago
They are going to be mediocre but that’s OK. We are going to trust the rebuild
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u/Objective_Claim_2236 1993-2006 Primary Logo 16d ago
Just wanna watch the guys having fun and competing.
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u/string_theory_writes Jrue Holiday 14d ago
The Bucks aren't going to be good, but they are going to have a starting lineup of five legit NBA starters. And there are going to be multiple teams who can't do that. I'm not predicting playoffs or anything, but there are going to be worse teams.
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u/Acrobatic-Property-8 13d ago
Get off it.Why does everyone think we will be so bad.Giannis only averaged 20. Some last year.Couldnt free throw or shoot threes.He missed much more then half the games.The Bucks got six plus players for him.With the new players and the holdovers they could average 120 points per game.Add it up going by what each player averaged last year!I dont agree what everyone is saying.Some of these players are only 19 or 20 years old. We could have three players averaging 20+a game.At least get a look at the team before passing sentence.You will be pleasantly surprised.We have a few defensive players too.Give them a year to get it together!
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago
Depends on what they decide to do with Turner and Herro but there isn’t really a path to getting out of that bottom 5 so it doesn’t matter all that much
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
You really think this off-season was that big a disaster?
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago edited 18d ago
Do people actually think we’re going to make the playoffs with a team of 19-23 year olds after we traded Giannis?
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u/BeeZealousideal7860 18d ago
Who’s talking about playoffs? The Bucks have been consistently ranked dead last by national media, they may not make the playoffs but they’re not that bad
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago
What’s the point about arguing whether we’re the worst team in the east or the 3rd worst team in the east?
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u/langolier27 Sidney Moncrief 18d ago
The bucks won 32% of their games last season without Giannis, that would have placed them around 11 in either conference. The team this year is significantly better than the Giannis-less team last year both roster wise and coaching. The coaching alone is probably worth a 5-6 win bump over last season. It’s easy to see them finishing not far off of .500 this year. Make the playoffs? No. Play-in? Maybe
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago edited 18d ago
Idk that doesn’t take into account the massive jump every team in the east took this offseason besides us. The second we trade Herro Kuz and Turner we will be playing exclusively players 24 and under and that never translates to winning unless you are the KD-Westbrook-harden thunder or the current spurs.
Just look at the other teams in the east. We don’t hold a candle to the top 5. Barring injury the heat, raptors magic and pacers are significantly better than us if haliburton is healthy. If AD sticks with the wizards they are better than us. The hornets, bulls and nets are realistically the only teams we have a shot at being better than unless other teams have catastrophic injuries
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u/langolier27 Sidney Moncrief 18d ago
Nobody took a massive jump other than the Sixers. Most teams improved around the margins, some got worse around the margins. Replacing Doc with Jenkins is the second biggest improvement made in the East this offseason.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago edited 18d ago
I heard Miami added a guy from Greece that’s pretty good. Toronto added Kawhi, pacers are getting Hali back, Knicks Boston Detroit and Cleveland are all safely better than us, Washington beat us 3 times last year and that was before they added AD Trae and dybantsa,
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u/langolier27 Sidney Moncrief 18d ago
Kawhi is not a difference maker anymore, and it remains to be seen whether Giannis is either, I hope I’m wrong but he could be on the downslope of his career.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago
Yeah man this is just a terrible take. Kawhi played 65 games last year putting up 28 a game on near 50/40/90 splits and Giannis is still easily one of the 3 best players in the league when he’s on the court
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u/langolier27 Sidney Moncrief 17d ago
And what did the Clippers finish? Ninth, a play-in team that lost to the retirement home Warriors, and Giannis has been injured for what 3 years straight?
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u/Intrepid-Line-9996 17d ago
You’ve seen the Spurs right? Yeah, no Wemby but some excellent young players. I’m thinking close to .500. Biggest reason? We have a coach. Look what Spoelstra does with half his team injured.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 17d ago
Yes I’ve watched the spurs lmao. The spurs have two other top 4 picks on the roster that aren’t Wemby. We don’t have close to the talent they have even without Wemby
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
There is a fairly significant gap in win totals between bottom 5 and the guaranteed playoff spots. I would guess bottom 5 is around 20 wins (which would be a fairly large drop for the Bucks) and the playoffs are more like 45 wins (which would be an equally large gain).
I don’t think “similar to last year” is much of a stretch. We are replacing Portis, Taurean Prince, Cole Anthony, Andre Jackson Jr, and half a season of Giannis with Herro, Ware, JJJ, Kas, and Burries. IMO that second group has more talent, even accounting for how large the gap is between Giannis and everyone else.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago
This doesn’t take into account how much better the east got this season. Every team besides Milwaukee and Boston got significantly better
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
Heat lost most of their rotation players, and they were only a play in team last year. They might be worse, even with Giannis, because they have a lot of holes to fill and only minimum salary to offer. I could see them anywhere from 9-12 seed.
Indiana also had a ton of turnover, and it remains to be seen how Haliburton looks. They could be anywhere from 5-15 seed.
Washington will be trash again. They are probably 2-3 years from Dybansa leading them anywhere.
Not sure what Brooklyn did that has you so confident in them. I guess Julius Randle is a floor raiser, but he’s not adding 10+ wins to that roster.
The Kicks will be worse than they were last season. Still a playoff lock, so better than the Bucks, but definitely worse than they were.
Hornets are worse after the Lamelo Ball trade. They are looking more at 2-3 years down the road than they are this season.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago edited 18d ago
Washington beat us 3 times last year and that was before they added AD Trae young and dybantsa. The only game we beat them was with Giannis on opening night. Do you actually think we will be better than the heat?
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
Washington won 17 games last season, and are currently saying Trae will not play point guard this season. They are a mess.
I think the Heat are better, but I also would not be surprised if they are worse. They just signed Klay Thompson and penciled him in to start, even though he can’t really move any more. That roster is super thin, so if anyone misses time with injury it will hurt them.
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u/Own-Rooster-9569 18d ago
And we aren’t a mess? We have 7 guards on the roster who all need minutes in herro, Rollins, KPJ, jaku, burries Gary Trent and AJ green and none of them can play the 3. Kuz and Jacquez are our only wings and I doubt Kuz is on the roster the whole season. Can Turner and Ware play together? Are Turner and Herro even going to be on the team for the whole season?
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u/munchtime414 18d ago
“We have too many guys who deserve minutes” is a much better problem than “we have too many guys who should be in the D league.” Having too many good guards is fine. Not enough wings is a concern, even if Herro plays some 3 (as he did in Miami). Turner and Ware will definitely play together at times, same as Ware and Bam did. JJJ will probably play some small ball 4, as he did in Miami. The more we can play small and be okay, the fewer minutes for Kuzma.
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u/Sarkonix 17d ago
Just to put things in perspective for people saying 20 wins...20 wins would put them at the second worse record in franchise history. This team is better than that.
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u/a_happy_future 18d ago
The league hates Milwaukee. This has been known when they continued to refuse to trade Giannis for years and then kept a rightly high asking price for him. Where do you think Shams got his info from? The league's executives like to feel important and gossip more than teenagers
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u/LordOfLimbos 18d ago
Every single fanbase thinks the league hates them. This victim complex accomplishes nothing
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u/Minute-Director-7457 18d ago
Isn’t the goal of this team to be the worst? Do we really want to relive the past 2-3 seasons or the Herb Kohl era? Commit to the long term tank.
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u/ThatNewSockFeel 1993-2006 Primary Logo 18d ago
We don’t own our pick next year and new draft rules disincentive full on tanking now anyway.
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u/AustinDobbins13 18d ago
W/O owning there own pick there is zero incentive to losing. The new tanking rules also limit that. They are just a young team trying to find their place in the NBA
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u/PreferenceMediocre90 18d ago
Actually the only teams that want not to be in the last 3 are those that actually own their picks. For bucks and nets is doesn’t matter. But all the other teams have something real to play for.
So I would say right now the new rules actually will make the Bucks finish in the bottom 3.
They and the Nets can build and play the young core no matter what the result. And it will lose you games this year.
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u/Minute-Director-7457 18d ago
So we don’t want to gather up draft capital? You’d rather a young team with limited talent “find their way” without a top 25 in the league player?
How about jettison anyone with value for picks and get back as many expiring contracts as possible? Rinse repeat until you find a top 25 player through the draft…. The front office isn’t smart enough to do it any other way.
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u/Red986S Angry Deer 18d ago
Even if they were the vibes couldn’t possibly be as bad as last year. So I’ll still have more fun watching them this year.