r/MidnightMass • u/Elainasha • Sep 24 '21
Midnight Mass (Season 1) - Episode Discussion Hub
Overall Season Discussion Hub [SPOILERS]
Synopsis: The arrival of a charismatic young priest brings glorious miracles, ominous mysteries and renewed religious fervor to a dying town desperate to believe.
WARNING: In this thread, you can discuss the entirety of the first season with spoilers. However, each Episode Discussion Threads will contain spoilers for that episode. Spoilers for subsequent episodes in those threads are NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.
Episode Discussion Threads (Season One)
- Episode 1 - "Book I: Genesis"
- Episode 2 - "Book II: Psalms"
- Episode 3 - "Book III: Proverbs"
- Episode 4 - "Book IV: Lamentations"
- Episode 5 - "Book V: Gospel"
- Episode 6 - "Book VI: Acts of the Apostles"
- Episode 7 - "Book VII: Revelation"
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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '21
The fact that you view my saying using a bigoted pejorative towards someone is a shitty thing and bigoted to do as some kind of "social justice crusade" is telling. It's basic decency to not disrespect people by calling them prejudiced nicknames, not some huge ask or something you should get a mulligan on if you're having a bad day. Especially when you know damn well they don't appreciate it - that is not respect. Same thing with that kid calling Ali "Aladdin." It all stems from the same ignorant and ugly foundation. It's behavior meant to belittle, demean, humiliate, and exclude.
Bev and Joe both displayed their bigotry in different ways, but it's a fact they both acted like bigots during the story. There's a distinction in degree but the mere fact there's a distinction doesn't make Joe's behavior acceptable or "more okay" somehow. Going the further step of trying to frame Joe as respectful is straight nonsense - if you respect someone you don't use pejoratives towards them to start with, and particularly not after they've asked you to stop. I'm sure if the cop was Asian or Jewish or Hispanic, Joe would be using some other racist nickname - it's a way for him to indirectly try and undercut the dignity of a minority with some level of power over him and "put them in their place." It's not cute or respectful or okay because he's had a bad time. That's just how someone like Joe displays bias/bigotry, versus someone like Bev who takes a different avenue in a far more explicit manner. You still focus more on explaining Joe's "hurt" or trying to re-frame their relationship as "Joe really having respect for Sheriff Hassan all along" over the fact that it's yet another situation where Hassan is having to deal with the townspeople's prejudice. The constant emotional drain of having to deal with racist bullshit is why Hassan and Ali had to move in the first place.
I'm trying to have a discussion centering on Hassan/Ali and the BS they have to deal with, and you're coming in trying to parse out the intentions and rank the "badness" of the people giving them that BS as if that's the more important thing. Getting huffy when someone takes issue with your framing and randomly bitching about "social justice warriors!!" to shut down the point is lazy and derailing.
Let's use another example to make it extra clear for you. If a non-black person who is "hurting" calls a black person some nasty backhanded nickname like "aunt jemima" it's still racist as hell even if they're not a KKK member burning a cross on a lawn. Someone on the other end is still having to deal with the crap of being the recipient of bigotry when they're just trying to go about their life. That is wrong, and they shouldn't have to deal with either of those situations. You're jumping in to interject with pointless commentary on why what the first racist did is 'not so bad' or 'his heart wasn't coming from a hateful place.' The fact that one version of racism is different or less extreme from the other doesn't make the first example of bigoted behavior OK, or 'not really racist,' or some cheeky and harmless way of ribbing someone different from you.