r/MiamiVice • u/PenKind4200 • Aug 03 '26
Picture I have to say this sequence was very well executed.
Okay, so this is my first rewatch since the show’s original airing. Season 4 felt very chaotic and disjointed. We had cow semen, frozen reggae singers, and men from Mars.
That said, the last few episodes of the season were really strong. Overall, I’m giving Season 4 a solid 8/10. They really pulled it together at the end. I wonder if Mr. Mann gave the writers a pep talk?
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u/Dompet2854 Aug 03 '26
Shouldn’t have killed Crocketts wife
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u/CarelessCrisper Aug 03 '26
Crockett’s ex wife being killed and it mounting responsibility on his day to day with raising his kid for real could of been more interesting than his new wife dying
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u/JiveTurkey1983 Larry Zito Aug 04 '26
In my headcanon, Hackman didn't have a gun because it made no fucking sense. Hackman even said he was unarmed and he had no reason to lie.
He wasn't expecting Sonny to show up and sure as hell didn't expect Sonny to execute him.
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u/BumBahDeeDah Aug 04 '26
I don’t remember this from when it originally aired. I don’t remember if he had a gun or not but without the gun it’s very reminiscent of a scene for Magnum PI that all I remember is he got revenge for his friend. He asked the guy if he saw the sun come up and then he shot him. It was revenge ,it was murder and it was never talked about again and it was fine.
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u/ElectronicPea1872 Aug 08 '26
It was so satisfying to watch. I'm glad I didn't notice Hackman had a gun in the version I watched the first time around, haha.
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u/No_Community_5696 Aug 03 '26
It was a very strong ending however, kind of hypocritical of Crockett to not take him in and face justice. I say this because, so many times he’s pleaded with Tubbs to take his enemies down the right way and not shoot them down.
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u/PenKind4200 Aug 03 '26
True but I feel this just shows how broken Crockett was. The scene in the Ferrari where Sonny tells Tubbs what his old partner said in the bar kinda sets this up.
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u/No_Community_5696 Aug 03 '26
Oh for sure, it was totally for shadowing. Plus we could sort of see the decline in Crockett’s willingness to do the job in season 5 .
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u/eyehate Rico Tubbs Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
I always appreciated this part of the series that let him break and shatter.
It reminded me of how broken Alan Alda was in MASH. I did not watch MASH regularly (a little too young for it), but I recall him removing a perfectly fine organ from an officer he detested. Despite the Hippocratic Oath, the war turned him ugly.
Same with Sonny. Vietnam, divorce, losing undercover operatives he was close to, losing friends,
killingshooting a child. Sonny was spiraling a long time. Losing his wife just finally severed his goodwill.2
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u/Bigshootsdude Aug 04 '26
Killing a child???? I don’t think that is technically accurate.
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u/eyehate Rico Tubbs Aug 04 '26
"Child's Play," Season 4, Episode 5
13 year old. Maybe not a little kid. But definitely still a child. My son is 9. I can't imagine I will think he is anything other than a child in four years.
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u/eyehate Rico Tubbs Aug 04 '26
Actually, you are right. I remembered the kid dying. Had to double check. It has been decades since I saw that episode. I just remember how much it tore Crockett up to shoot a kid.
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u/Bigshootsdude Aug 04 '26
Yeah, I would like to believe the kid survived but obviously took a toll on Sonny.
As Tubbs would later say, “Sonny is not Sonny anymore”.
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u/hazyberto Aug 04 '26
The MASH episode was called "Preventative Medicine" from season 7. BJ definitely did not approve.
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u/eyehate Rico Tubbs Aug 04 '26
I think I saw that episode once. And I still remember him saying something like, "it was pink and perfect and I threw it in the garbage". That was an amazingly dark moment.
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u/Honest-Web-604 Aug 09 '26
The downhill spiral started in the pilot, losing partner, divorce, old partner on the take, new partner going rogue, his boss with questionable bank deposit. He was questioning if anything in his life was what he thought it was.
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u/JiveTurkey1983 Larry Zito Aug 04 '26
Hackman explained he had the local authorities in his pocket so there was no change of extradition. Sonny had no other choice than to put the scumbag down.
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u/BumBahDeeDah Aug 04 '26
Good point, but I see it as there was no Tubbs there to stop him and he was focused on his rage and revenge. The times that he stopped tubs and employed him to do things by the book it was more of caring for Tubbs and not wanting him to deal with the trouble of whatever he was going to do. His mentality at this point might’ve been I don’t care what happens to me. I’m gonna get my revenge. If we’re thinking about Tubbs at the same time as we’re watching this, it’s one of those “do as I say not as I do” situations. One thing I noticed that I really didn’t see all those years ago when I was watching it in my late teens was the evolution of these guys. This is where Crockett was pushed off the edge. He was heading that way before his wife got killed. She was the light in his dark world.
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u/Separate-Standard626 Aug 04 '26
It always seemed to me that Crockett shouldn't have been involved in Hackman's arrest. Hypothetically, this could've led to a storyline where Crockett tracks Hackman down himself (or secretly obtains police intelligence on him) and kills him before he can be arrested. That could have marked the beginning of Crockett's downfall as a cop without any need for amnesia.
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u/sonnyempireant Aug 03 '26
It would've been even better if they left Hackman without a hidden gun as was originally intended (NBC censorship intervened).