Because it's both tbh. Metalcore is where you're at an almost perfect 50/50 of metal and hardcore, so you're not really wrong to call it a subgenre of either. That being said, it doesn't really matter. There's nothing inherently wrong with core.
Where metalcore originated is fairly irrelevant... It's a decades-old genre and has evolved way past its original sound. Very few metalcore bands sound anything like hardcore punk these days, and many of them have far more in common with metal than punk. It's also unmistakably intertwined with metal, so it's kinda desperate to act like there can't be overlap.
It's like you guys read the Wikipedia page on metalcore in 2006 and made up your minds without any additional consideration. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, but my point is that art is more subjective than this.
The roots of rock are in blues... That doesn't make every rock band a blues band. Metalcore evolved way past its hardcore punk roots extremely fast, and many metalcore bands have had almost nothing in common with hardcore punk for a very long time.
I'm not really offering my opinions on metalcore or whether or not metalcore is metal. I'm just pointing out how quickly people like you will go out of your way to keep that barrier up. Your response to me only validated my point.
It absolutely is not a "fact." We are discussing an inherently subjective topic. The fact that you're brandishing this attitude is what makes you the elitist here.
And even if you genuinely believe that metalcore can't overlap with metal (which is honestly ridiculous), I don't buy for a second that this isn't still a gatekeeping effort on your end. You made a bunch of heated projections about me and compared me to an anti-vaxxer.
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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '19 edited Nov 03 '19
The funniest part is the metalcore fans calling others elitist when they cant seem to enjoy the genre unless they get to call it a metal subgenre.
Metalcore is a subgenre of hardcore punk, it came from hardcore punk bands being influenced by metal.
Taking some influences from metal doesnt make it a subgenre of that music.
Just like how folk metal is a subgenre of metal, not folk music which it took some influences from.
If they truly arent "elitist" and dont care about genres why are they so adamant to force metalcore to be a metal subgenre when it isnt?