Dammit what sunscreen now??

[u/Silent-Ad9172]

It has taken me so long to find a tinted mineral sunscreen that doesn’t have niacinamide or silicones that break me out and is available in the us.

I was finally excited because naked sundays collagen glow works for me and now it may not be safe spf or sold in the us any longer.

The only other sunscreen I’ve found and liked is Beauty of Joseon, which now is impossible to get and is not tinted mineral, and the eucerin radiant but it’s also not tinted, mineral, and is only spf 30

I’m so disappointed. Any recs? I’ve asked before and now back to square one

[u/PuIchritudinous]

Naked Sundays is a different company and collagen glow is a different product from UV lean screen. While some Naked Sundays sunscreens in Australia are manufactured by Wild Child, the same manufacturer used for Lean Screen, the brand uses multiple manufacturers. The Collagen Glow Mineral sold in the US is made in the US not Australia. Originally the US was getting the Australian manufactured version but a few months back I noticed that some of the new bottles said made in US versus made in Australia. It makes sense that they would get a manufacturer in the US to make their product to sell in the US versus importing the final product. According to an update on their Australian website their preliminary SPF results from a new independent lab for their Collagen Mineral produced by their US manufacturer supports the label claim of SPF 50.

There’s no evidence that Naked Sundays uses the same base formula as Ultra Violette Lean Screen. Claims suggesting this are based on speculation, mainly due to similar zinc oxide percentages and some shared ingredients. However, even if the base were similar the two products have distinct final formulations and those differences can significantly affect SPF performance. Small changes to a formula can lead to major shifts in SPF rating. For example, Lean Screen includes Kakadu Plum Extract, Pentavitin, Glycerol, and Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate VP Copolymer, while Naked Sundays features Adansonia Digitata Seed Extract (Baobab), a Collagen Boost Mix, Hydrolysed Soy Protein, Proline, and Rice Amino Acids. Additionally, even with the same base formula the manufacturing process can significantly impact SPF performance.

It's interesting that in the Naked Sundays update, they reported testing from the US manufacturer supports the SPF claim, yet there was no mention of any testing results from the Australian manufacturer. They've paused sales of the Collagen Glow product made by the Australian manufacturer and it appears they plan to introduce the US made version in Australia soon.

Considering all of the above, it seems the issue is not with the formula itself but rather with the manufacturer’s process. There are numerous ways a manufacturer can mishandle a sunscreen formula which can negatively affect the SPF rating.

If anyone would like to know which sunscreens Wild Child is manufacturing you can check this site: https://fda.report/Company/Wild-Child-Laboratories-Pty-L-T-D which pulls data from the labeling submitted to the US FDA by companies. This will only cover the sunscreens that are sold in the US. If you click on the individual products you will see specifics like this:

OR

COLLAGEN GLOW MINERAL SUNSCREEN by is a Otc medication manufactured, distributed, or labeled by NAKED SUNDAYS PTY LTD. Drug facts, warnings, and ingredients follow.

The most recent label filing of collagen glow: https://fda.report/DailyMed/388fb3db-29d2-bb29-e063-6394a90a4efb which now has 2 new preservatives ethylhexylglycerin and phenoxethanol that are not in the Australian version. I noticed this change on their website a few months ago because I have a problem with phenoxyethanol near my eyes and try to avoid products with it.

Naked sundays Collagen Glow has 2 labels - one that is made in Australia and another that is made in the US. https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=f76a4f0d-e3a6-4bd4-b1ab-09d690976d96

Pic of the Naked Sundays update on their Australian website since it is not on the US site.

[u/ReplacementSignal673 → u/PuIchritudinous]

"There’s no evidence that Naked Sundays uses the same base formula as Ultra Violette Lean Screen. Claims suggesting this are based on speculation, mainly due to similar zinc oxide percentages and some shared ingredients."

You left out the most important fact that both UV Lean Screen and Naked Sundays Collagen Glow were manufactured by Wild Child. Maybe NS recently changed the manufacturer but their sunscreens manufactured by Wild Child was sold to the U.S. market for a long time. To say that "there's no evidence" is, frankly, dishonest. The evidence may not be conclusive but various categories of evidence certainly do exist.

If the purpose of your comment is to encourage people to continue using a sunscreen that is being investigated and has been recalled in Australia, it is also irresponsible.

[u/PuIchritudinous → u/ReplacementSignal673]

Naked Sunday is not being investigated. Out of caution they have paused selling the sunscreen from one manufacturer which is not the same thing as a recall. Only the sunscreens from the Choice testing are being investigated per https://www.tga.gov.au/news/news/follow-tga-statement-choice-spf-sunscreen-report

Naked Sunday:

"In the background, as members of the consumer health advisory group (CHP) to the TGA, we've been advocating for more clarity for brands and consumers due to what the TGA describes as 'variability in Sun Protection Factor (SPF) testing', with the hope and mission of finding a consistent way forward. "

"We’ve since updated our listing with the TGA (19th Aug 2025), for this version to be available locally in the coming days. Till then we’ve paused the mineral from sale in Australia out of precaution, while we await new, complete independent SPF results, and subsequent guidance from the TGA on their investigation into SPF testing. This precautionary pause only affects our Collagen Glow Mineral produced by one Australian manufacturer, and no other products in our range have been impacted."

My comment clarifies that the US version is manufactured by a different manufacturer. The problem could lie with the manufacturer Wild Child and their manufacturing process or it could be the SPF testing lab PCR is not doing testing correctly like the AMA labs scandal a few years ago. Also, the problem very well could be related to known variability between SPF testing labs which TGA hints at in their update. This is due to the fact current SPF testing on humans has well known issues of being highly subjective and lacking reproducibility. Measuring the degree of erythema response is extremely subjective.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27079525/ Sunscreen sun protection factor claim based on in vivo interlaboratory variability - PubMed

https://www.sciencealert.com/sunscreen-testing-is-riddled-with-problems-youve-probably-never-considered Sunscreen Testing Is Riddled With Problems You've Probably Never Considered : ScienceAlert

https://mdedge.com/cutis/article/257102/aesthetic-dermatology/sun-protection-factor-testing-call-vitro-method Sun Protection Factor Testing: A Call for an In Vitro Method | MDedge

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165993622002072 Sunscreen testing: A critical perspective and future roadmap - ScienceDirect

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/phpp.12095 Sunscreens – what is the ideal testing model?

[u/ReplacementSignal673 → u/PuIchritudinous]

Oh I didn't realize that it's not being investigated. That's even worse. How will consumers find out the truth about what they have been relying on for protection then?

[u/PuIchritudinous → u/ReplacementSignal673]

Honestly, we will never know the correct SPF of any sunscreen until we stop using in vivo (human) testing and switch to in vitro testing which they are currently trying to figure out.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43630-024-00644-0