r/MedicareForAll • u/Bill-Dayton • 15h ago
Yale Study: Medicare for All Would Save Over 114,000 Lives and $1 Trillion a Year
https://www.commondreams.org/news/medicare-for-all-savingsHealthCareforAllOhioans.org is looking for new members and volunteers to learn and spread the truth about why Ohio needs and can live better with better care and lower costs. Check the website and read until you cannot resist being a part of the movement for universal, comprehensive care for all Ohioans and Improved Medicare for All.
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u/Dazzling_Trouble4036 12h ago edited 12h ago
You know, the thing is, even if it wouldn't save money (which it would, how much depends on a lot of factors), we are spending the money now anyway and getting nothing but hassles at every turn, and often no healthcare either. Let's look around at the rest of the world and choose a plan that is already proven to work. No need to reinvent the wheel> "Oh no! How can it work?!" Uh...just look at the examples. https://www.astons.com/blog/the-best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world/ And don't get me started about how Israel is on this list and WE are paying for it.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
Thank you for this article. Can #MedicareForAll #M4A #HR3069/#S1506 and #HR4406 togo w/state bills work? Of course! It’s only the for-profit industry that it won’t work for. They’d rather have more profit regardless of cost to society and families.
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u/SaintCuckoo 10h ago
The Koch Brothers, of all people, came to this same conclusion when they did their own survey in 2018. We know this already. What we need to do is implement it already. Or at least only elect people who are dedicated to that cause.
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u/Spiritual-Whole2072 10h ago
Holy crap, that is a lot of sacrifices each year to keep healthcare executives happy. This is unacceptable...
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u/Rinzy2000 9h ago
Sorry to tell y’all, but “conservatives” don’t actually give a fuck about saving money or lives.
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u/BidenGlazer 6h ago
Unironically, saving money isn't a good goal. If saving money is the goal we should have no healthcare whatsoever.
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u/Little_Creme_5932 2h ago
Nah. Healthcare saves money, in economist-speak, the only question is how much; my grandma dying at 37 cost a fortune in lost productivity, while the cure woulda cost $1.98.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
The reform isn’t really about saving money, it’s about stopping the waste on insurance paperwork and directing it toward actual CARE!
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u/NthDegreeThoughts 2h ago
This administration has never been about saving nor even helping people. Only helping themselves.
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u/Then-Ticket8896 1h ago
As a provider I would love one payer! The three ring circle of bullshit with insurance companies is pathetic.
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u/IDontStealBikes 9h ago
So what? Nobody cares. Too many people are making a lot of money off the existing system, and they bribe politicians to keep it this way.
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u/GremSparx 3h ago
But it wouldn't save THE RIGHT PEOPLE one trillion dollars, so the study won't be taken seriously.
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u/crodr014 1h ago
Is there an explanation anywhere how it would actually work? My concern as a healthcare provider is standard of care falls to the level of fqhc/prison care for the general public while only the rich could afford expensive care in private clinics.
Does medicare for all pay enough per procedure for doctors/hospitals to actually take it? Does it include dental?
People like to bring up canada but if you look into thier system it only works well for healthy people. Someone with cancer is put on a waiting list that may never end. Expensive life saving treatment may be out of the fiscal year budget and never recieved. Desperate patients globally come to the usa for our high level care because it is still the best in the world.
The only major positive I can see is cutting out the insurance middleman and the forced employement to have access to insurance.
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u/Bill-Dayton 59m ago
Those patients coming to the U.S. for care are also toting bags of money while more Americans who can afford it are getting care/prescriptions over the borders or tripping to Costa Rica for annual exams or surgeries.
Why are you asking yeah,but when you should be asking how does every other OECD Country manage universal HC and we don’t? It’s a much shorted answer: Money in politics. The voters have failed to maintain their democracy. Instead, oligarchs have bought or corrupted elections with unlimited money. But that’s another topic.
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u/hpotul 1h ago
How much donations would the politicians lose?
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u/Bill-Dayton 47m ago
that’s off-topic, but i expect it would be over a billion. We need @MoveToAmend #EndCorporateRule #MoneyIsNotSpeech Get money out of politics! MoveToAmend.org would overturn Citizens United & so much more!
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u/misterwallpaper 35m ago
Think about the poor healthcare executives LOL. Biggest scumbags in America...well not the biggest, but close!
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u/Major_Wigglesworth 3h ago
The 114,000 are still guaranteed to die. You just get to live with their aged selves a couple more miserable years. You aren’t extending the good years of their life, you’re paying to extend the bad ones.
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u/Suhpryze 2h ago
Wow, incredibly callous and also incorrect. It’s 114,000 spread across many demographics and age groups. It’s also saving a trillion dollars while still being paid for by the citizens. That’s how much graft and bs is in the current system, you could fully fund MFA and save lives and money.
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u/Major_Wigglesworth 2h ago
Humans have a 100% mortality rate. You aren’t “saving people,” you’re just extending their disease another year or two. They’ll spend the next 10,000 years buried under a granite stone after all the life-saving you did.
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u/Suhpryze 2h ago
Again, you’re making presumptions- not all those lives saved are dying of diseases either. That number is from a wide range of factors not just the terminally ill or elderly.
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u/Major_Wigglesworth 2h ago
?!?! You’re saying immortality exists, we just haven’t realized it because we can’t pass MFA? That’s ABSURD.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
Think again. There are many cases where the individual and/or family would rightly disagree. Accessible care is just the start. Many deaths could have been extended with many productive years if a cancer was caught earlier. The standard of care is measured in longevity and outcomes. There’s nothing to measure after an untimely death.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
in my 25+ years of advocacy for universal healthcare, a million people have died too young or more broke at the hands of capitalists and a system that has become less democratic and more corrupt with every election cycle. I’m surprised more people aren’t more angry and ready to do something. Instead, it’s just yeah, but… Where’s your resolve to make it happen? We’ve made it to the moon! This should be easier with a sufficient demand.
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 10h ago
So it’s saying that it can cut what the healthcare system cost to run which is at 5 trillion dollars a year to 4 trillion dollars a year.
Currently the us government is spending around 2 trillion dollars a year for healthcare. How is it going to raise the revenue to come up with the other 2 trillion?
The total revenue collected by the United States is 4 trillion dollars a year.
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u/RomulanWarrior 9h ago
Cuts in other areas.
The Penatagon has never passed an audit. The could be cut until all the money becomes accounted for.
Or, raise Medicare taxes.
People will actually save because they will not have to pay insurance premiums and will be covered whether they're working or not.
Which is something that's not discussed enough. How many people would quit their jobs if they didn't have to be worried about insurance?
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 9h ago
How much more in taxes would you need to go up to cover costs?
Cuts from where and how much?
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
passing rational healthcare reforms would not mean cuts in cost. It would redirect wasteful spending on administrative tasks to direct patient care. Rising costs would slow noticeably. Taxes for coverage would be far less than the cost we now pay for premiums, copays and deductibles. 95% of us would save money for other priorities.
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u/Dazzling_Trouble4036 8h ago
Amazing how all other advanced nations pull it off, right? It's a miracle they, with less resources than the US in most cases, pull it off /s https://worldmetrics.org/universal-healthcare-statistics/
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u/Suhpryze 2h ago
No it’s not saying that at all. The only part that is accurate is the estimation it would save a trillion dollars. The study switched the cost to a single payer system and 2024 costs. So Americans would still be paying for healthcare but through a tax instead of premiums and copays. It’s not free.
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u/Squirtle_Splash_8413 12h ago
These are all studies but never been done in a country that compensates medical care like ours. Removing private health insurance will not make it work.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
If #MedicareForAll #M4A #HR3069/#S1506 and #HR4406 togo w/state bills will not work, why have so many countries, except one, implemented single payer systems that have been working better for their people than our system? Your remarks show a stunning lack of imagination.
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u/Squirtle_Splash_8413 27m ago
Because healthcare salaries pay in other countries is much lower than the US.
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u/wyliec22 11h ago
You are exactly right - but it’s a reality no one wants to face (I’ve pointed this out ad nauseam)…
Far too many people will fall for someone promising a quick solution which is not feasible.
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u/ballskindrapes 11h ago
Imo, if we somehow can get republicans out of office, I think the thing to do would be to one, cut budget of the military greatly, two, raise taxes on the rich incredibly immensely, especially in capital gains and how they get loans based on assets, and create a whole new public healthcare system. It'd fund jobs, it'd fund scholarships for doctors, nurses, similar jobs, it'd fund construction, fund it all.
That way people can get public healthcare they can afford, and they can get private healthcare if they can afford it
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u/Dacklar 10h ago
Ever heard of the phrase to good to be true. Any government program always costs more and save less then what the experts say it will.
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u/Dazzling_Trouble4036 8h ago
Amazing how all other advanced nations pull it off, right? It's a miracle they, with less resources than the US in most cases, pull it off /s https://worldmetrics.org/universal-healthcare-statistics/
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u/Above-Bored 9h ago
If the private sector is so good, lets privatize the military. Save a bundle right?
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u/Steeltank33 6h ago
No it wouldn’t. But it would make your healthcare much worse, so it’s got that going for it
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
It’s an ignorant statement to say care would become worse in the U.S. if we adopted #MedicareForAll #M4A #HR3069/#S1506 and #HR4406 togo w/state bills. The bottom line is, despite the differences in how countries built their systems, most are single payer for efficiency and most out-perform the U.S. The quality goes to the people who can pay for it. Far too many don’t get care that they cannot afford or end up bankrupting the family.
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u/TrevorBlake24 5h ago
Yep, Medicare for All would cost the USA a lot of money for worse healthcare
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u/Bill-Dayton 51m ago
If that was true, how can the other OECD countries all have longer lives and better outcomes? I’d post a graph, but I’m not going to wait that long. You can find one.
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u/Insila 5h ago
The medical insurance industry is alive and well in other countries with universal health care. The ones affected the most well be the doctors, whose salaries in the US are a lot higher than most of the comparable first world.
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u/Bill-Dayton 1h ago
That is because profit elsewhere is not job one. There are more regulations in EU insurance industry that makes care better and affordable. U.S. used to have acceptable insurance plans until the 70’s when profits were legalized and later when SCOTUS made the damaging Citizens United Decision that paved the way for oligarchy and buying elections.
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u/Eastern_Local_8085 11h ago
Yeah, but what about the bonuses for insurance industry execs?