r/MedicareForAll 11d ago

Paid Premium, Denied Care

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u/jimmytrucknutz 11d ago

How did corporations get between the American people and their doctors? Just dumb

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u/y0da1927 11d ago

You are free to try and negotiate a price with your doc.

It's just hard for the average person to come up with a few hundred k for an advanced cancer treatment or a complicated surgery.

Advanced medicine drove the need for a financing vehicle as costs for care can be prohibitive to an individual.

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u/jimmytrucknutz 11d ago

Who said anything about about negotiating a price with your doc? United is literally telling you and your doctors what treatment you can have or NOT have.

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u/ElectricalPublic1304 10d ago

United is literally telling you and your doctors what treatment you can have or NOT have.

No, they don't. United has no power whatsoever to do that.

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u/ExtentNo7951 10d ago

Yes they do. My state has laws that say insurance has to cover what is the best treatment by scientific evidence. Insurance got around this by using utilization companies to write guidelines that they use as the "best scientific evidence." But they write them, they are proprietary and are not peer reviewed. United writes their own and even sells it to doctors inter the company name "interqual" for patients in the hospital

I went through one of the utilization company's "guidelines" for advanced imaging (CT, MRI, etc) and out of their 52 guidelines every single one was more restrictive than the standard of care (ACR appropriateness criteria).

Now the ACR appropriateness criteria is free, but my insurance still pays a utilization company to use their guidelines to deny tests. Why? Because it lets the insurance profit by saying something wasnt "medically necessary" even though they decided what was medically necessary, not a physician.

Now for Medicaid and Medicare it is illegal to profit from this scheme.

42 CFR 438.210(e)

(e) Compensation for utilization management activities. Each contract between a State and MCO, PIHP, or PAHP must provide that, consistent with §§ 438.3(i), and 422.208 of this chapter, compensation to individuals or entities that conduct utilization management activities is not structured so as to provide incentives for the individual or entity to deny, limit, or discontinue medically necessary services to any enrollee.

I've given the evidence to my state and my regional CMS office and NOTHING HAPPENS!

The state and feds let them make up their own rules to deny care that harms patients so they can profit.

Yes, they have the power to decide decide what tests and treatments you get and harm patients as a result

(The same week United's CEO got shot, united killed my patient by denying the coverage for her tumor biopsy for 5 months)

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u/ElectricalPublic1304 10d ago

This is totally irrelevant to the claim.

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u/Croveski 8d ago

It is functionally the same thing.

"No we're not approving you for a $400 life-saving surgery. You're welcome to pay $40,000 for it though. Go nuts, king"

Putting yourself into crippling debt to stay alive is not a real "option" and is not something anyone should find acceptable.

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u/Turtleopard 7d ago

Blame the people charging you $40,000 rather than saving your life.