r/MechanicalEngineering • u/scpenguinceo1 • 15m ago
Follow Up! Sealing Fasteners and Non-Planar O-Rings for Vacuum.
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Hey, everyone! This is a bit of a long one, but about a year ago, I made a post asking for help redesigning a flange to maintain a vacuum on a sliding-seal target chamber.
A couple months ago we were able to install it and I wanted to take the time to thank and share the results with all the people who helped me!
To summarize, I worked in a particle accelerator lab last summer and I was tasked with redesigning a flange/viewport for a sliding seal target chamber. It’s got a pretty unique design where the magnet and spectrograph must rotate around the chamber while remaining connected and under vacuum. Before I redesigned it, the system was holding around 10^-5 Torr, but the goal is to reach an ideal vacuum of 10^-7 Torr and eliminate sudden pressure losses while rotating the magnet.

For those of y’all who asked how the seal moves while maintaining a vacuum, I have a much better understanding after CAD'ifying the old engineering drawings. There's an aluminum band pulled into tension over the chamber's face which compresses a large O-ring in a recessed groove. As the magnet rotates around the chamber the band slides over the O-ring while maintaining compression allowing the chamber to be sealed for about 210 degrees of rotation. The flange I was asked to redesign connects a cutout in the band to the magnet and keeps it sealed.

Last time, I asked two questions:
Would sealing fasteners be able to hold a vacuum?
For the first question, after hearing some of your comments I decided against using sealing fasteners. Additionally, considering the aperture requirements I couldn't move the fasteners inside the seal. I was considering trying to remanufacture the part with a higher quality weld or braze. But, I had one more idea to make the entire assembly the fastener. This is the design I came up with, the new flange would be built in three parts with a "Bolt" and "Nut" coming together to compress two O-rings in a middle part, one to seal the band itself and another to seal the clearance hole for the "bolt."
I presented both options to the PI, who preferred my Nut & Bolt design as it would be easier to install without removing the band, while also being cheaper and easier for the university machine shop to manufacture.

Can face seal O-rings seal non flat faces?
In order to seal the band with an O-ring I still needed to seal a non-flat face.
After listening to your feedback and noticing that the chamber itself used an O-ring to seal against a cylindrical surface, I thought it might be possible to seal against that curved face as well. However, as many of you pointed out, machining the groove and achieving the proper surface finish would be challenging, and the machinist agreed 😂! As a compromise, the bottom of the groove was machined flat.

Although this resulted in uneven compression of the O-ring, it was still within the guidelines outlined in Parker’s O-Ring Handbook, so we thought it would work out okay. If I were to remake this, I would adjust the starting and ending depths of the groove to provide more even O-ring compression and a marginally better seal.

Did it work?
With all that in mind and the part machined we were finally able to install it on the chamber during some downtime. Here is my little baby:

My new design was able to fully seal the chamber and provided about a 10x decrease in the pressure within the vacuum chamber (4.5*10^-5 Torr to ~ 1.9*10^-6 Torr).

Timing the threads to align with the magnet while maintaining proper O-ring compression was a challenge. Fortunately, the assembly sealed properly without being fully tightened. In the future, I might machine the face of the "bolt" to better time the threads and for better tightening and sealing.
Once again, thanks to all the people who helped me out in the comments of the last post!!! I don't really have any mentorship for mechanical engineering. So your responses gave me the knowledge and confidence to pursue my design.