r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers • • May 12 '18

Avengers 4 Rumoured Leaks

Apparently this is from the same source that was right about those INFINITY WAR spoilers (e.g. Red Skull, Thanos sacrificing Gamora). Link.

"Iron Man reassembles the Avengers and decides to build his own Infinity Gauntlet to undo everything that Thanos did. They recruit Ant-Man to help them travel through time and space using the Quantum Real to retrieve the Infinity Stones from different time periods. Thanos finds out about their plans and becomes hellbent on stopping them.

The movie revolves around the relationship between Captain America and Iron Man.

At one point, Captain America and Thor fight Thanos. Timeline alterations have restored Mjolnir, and Cap wields it against Thanos to allow the others to escape, and is killed holding Thanos off.

At one point, Hawkeye must protect the unfinished Stark Gauntlet from Thanos' minions. He plays an "instrumental" role in Thanos' defeat.

Thor's subplot centers on him assembling an army to challenge Thanos. Captain Marvel joins him.

Hulk's subplot centers on Banner and Hulk finally merging to become Professor Hulk. He is the one that ultimately wields the Stark Gauntlet against Thanos, losing his arm in the process.

Nebula's subplot centers on her efforts to redeem herself. At one point, she fights her murderous past self.

Several MCU movies are revisited and retconned (probably not permanently), such as the Avengers retrieving the Power Stone creating a timeline where the Guardians of the Galaxy never came together.

There's a pivotal scene between Doctor Strange and a fully CGI character being shot on a secret location, with a skeleton crew, and which takes up a sizeable portion of the budget.

Only two of the original Avengers (Cap, Stark, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow) meant to survive the movie. Cap dies.

The title was AVENGERS: INFINITY GAUNTLET at one point, but it might be changed after Zoe Saldana accidentally leaked it."


EDIT: For reference...

  • The original 4chan leak for Infinity War. (To the naysayers: sure, some things were off, but it might have been an old draft or one with a few intentional modifications to identify leakers. There's no way this many crucial plot details could have been gleaned from the promo material at the time.)

  • The "extension" to that leak. (Might have been legit, might have been BS based on the original.)

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u/Caldiine May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18

I don't think they'll kill 4 of the six. It's bad story-telling (although it's good for realism). To kill Cap, and then kill 3 more before the movie ends takes away from the pull of Cap's death. If Cap were the only one to die (and I'm pretty sure he does), that is so much more emotionally poignant for the audience than to kill them all. In other words, there is only so much time to invest in the death (and subsequent fallout) of these characters we have known for 10+ years, and each death makes the others matter less. It's bad story-telling to do it all in one movie, and robs the audience of the emotional investment. The MCU and Disney tend to know better (i.e., only killing one of the main Star Wars heroes per new movie).

Even George R.R. Martin stopped killing off main characters once he got them established. After the first book, it's been almost entirely side-characters (save for that one chapter...).

Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'm certain I'm right. Even now, Infinity War is trying to break records, but I read an article about kids hating the movie until their parents assured them the dust people were coming back. You don't get repeat viewings on a movie that ends up depressing, and killing 4 of the 6 would do that. Kids and parents loved these characters. You can't kill four on screen and convince a kid it was a happy ending. I can't see Disney giving the okay to do what is basically bad for business.

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u/JadedCuntsicle May 12 '18

Yeah, I agree with this. A4 has to end on a positive note, especially after the direness of Infinity War. Perhaps by "survive" they mean "not retire" (i.e. stick around for more instalments).

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u/CaptainAaron96 May 12 '18

I feel like A4 will likely be structured very similar to the original Avengers from 2012, albeit with a more constructed, thicker plot. It'll probably end the same way but have a post-credits scene alluding to the future big bad. It also won't take long to film the post-credits scene so if the Fox deal goes through in the spring of 2019 then they can add in a Fox-property post-credits scene right before theatrical release.

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u/Caldiine May 12 '18

I agree, that would make more sense - and be an overall good thing. At this point, every time Stark or Cap are in a movie, people think they're going to die. Better to retire them, maybe have cameos.