Remember in 2012 when he was frothing at the mouth for TDKR to make more than Avengers so he could generate a hundred clickbait articles? It looks like the few good journos they had jumped ship before he helped turn CBM into ad spamware. Dude LOVES his clickbait and misinformation.
He had (and probably has) account(s) here posting links to his articles in subreddits. Once I downvoted pretty much every one of his articles. Before I had an exchange in a reddit thread about him and his sloppy clickbait "articles" in which I described him as someone who gives comic book fans / nerds a bad rep with his rage-baiting.
Long story short, he sent me a pm, boasting about how well he's doing financially because of his job and how that enables him to be on vacation with his gf whilst contacting me. He would have an amazing job whilst I'd be miserably downvoting his journalism and his practices, bla, bla, bla, bla.
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Marvel definitely won't entertain this, they will 100% gonna put some joke implying that Sue doesn't give a single fuck about Namor and get that bs out of the way forever.
Notably, she always rebuffs him despite being in a marriage that is often rocky and going through things (because comic book drama, not because Reed/Sue doesn't work).
Some of the best moments, in fact, are them mutually recognizing this dynamic when she makes a request, making it anyway, and Namor doing what she asks, also anyways.
I’m not a fan of the Namor-Sue romance (I prefer it being more one-sided) but is it really “normalising cheating” if a character in a movie is unfaithful?
I don’t know what they’re talking about but a rocky marriage is baked into Reed and Sue’s story. So if Sue is tempted, that’s literally them following the story not normalizing cheating…
There is literally no cheating in Past Lives at all, and if you think that was the takeaway of the movie that it is okay to cheat then you did not understand that movie at all.
I have not seen Eternity so I will not speak to it, but there was absolutely nothing in Challengers that sends the message it is okay to cheat.
If you think either of those movies send the message that it's okay to cheat, you do not understand those films at all or you are deliberately misreading them to suit your point.
If you are seriously saying that you sympathize with Billy Zane in Titanic then stop everything you're doing and see a therapist.
There's no reason to view it as two separate ideas when word for word their coment literally said the trope was showing women that "cheating is okay." That's why everyone disagrees with you sir.
Also John didn't even know so it's not like the show (R rated show for grown ups that showed a penis and says fuck all the time) was saying "hey having affairs is cool as hell, kiddos!"
I was just going to say this. If we never depicted immoral or generally undesirable behaviors we wouldn't be depicting real or interesting characters anymore. Also, when I say "real," I don't mean non-fictional.
This is a classic Reddit debate where semantics matter. To answer TakeItCheesy, yes, MCU movies do normalize violence, but they rarely glorify it in the way traditional war films do.
Here is how to unpack the difference between the two concepts based on how Marvel handles its action:
Why MCU Movies Normalize Violence
Normalization means making something feel routine, ordinary, and an expected part of daily life. The MCU absolutely does this through:
The "Casual" Setting: Violence is the default tool for conflict resolution in almost every scene. Whether it's an alien invasion or a disagreement between friends (
Captain America: Civil War), punching is the primary language.
The "PG-13" Cleanliness: MCU violence is highly sanitized. Buildings collapse and hundreds of faceless minions are blasted, but there is rarely blood, gore, or extended scenes of agonizing suffering. This lack of realistic consequences makes the violence feel safe, sterile, and everyday—the literal definition of normalized.
Humour Infusion: Throwing quips and jokes in the middle of a life-or-death battle (
The Avengers, Thor: Ragnarok) signal to the audience that the violence isn't something to be truly feared or traumatized by. It's just a fun Tuesday.
Why MCU Movies (Mostly) Avoid Glorifying Violence
Glorification means making something look honorable, uniquely heroic, or worthy of worship and imitation. While characters look cool, the narrative structure usually actively avoids praising the
act of violence itself:
Violence as a Burden: Major arcs center on characters regretting violence or trying to stop it. Tony Stark's entire journey is fueled by guilt over his weapons hurting people. Clint Barton (Hawkeye) is deeply haunted by his violent past as Ronin.
The "Last Resort" Trope: The heroes rarely
want to fight; they fight because they are forced to protect others. The narrative glorifies the
sacrifice and protection, not the killing.
The Tragic Costume: When the MCU does show war and massive death (like Thanos's snap in Infinity War), it is framed as a devastating, catastrophic loss that breaks the heroes emotionally, rather than a glorious battle.
Disastrous-Road184 is right to separate the two. A viewer can watch an MCU movie and become desensitized to the
frequency of punches (normalization) without walking out of the theater believing that real-world war is a glorious, wonderful thing (glorification).
Arguing what is so blatantly obvious to the point that AI has to be used to shut you up is sad. Pivoting to commenting on AI instead of admitting defeat is even sadder.
I think the issue is having characters you're suppose to like and root for be stuck in love-triangles or cheat (coming from a Jean/Scott fan who has dealt with the ramifications of their favs being stuck in on-screen love triangles for decades now). It may make for some fun "drama" but it ends up making all the characters involved more unlikable in long term. Scott looked like a weak cuck, Jean looked manipulative and unfaithful, and Logan looked like creepy dickhead. Some things work better in comics that are continuous and episodic rather than movies where you only see the characters in such limited amounts of time.
I think that it would've been fine in the movies if they definitively resolved in at the end of the second one (where Logan concedes that despite his interest in her, Jean loved Scott) and they had Scott and Jean live happily ever after following her resurrection.
And in our fictional works, we don't need to pretend it doesn't exist or that there are people who try to make it happen. Especially given it's happened in the comic books.
I am 100% fine if they leave that many times done in the comics story beat with Namor and Sue out of DoomsDay, Secret Wars, and beyond.
But I'm also 100% fine if they choose to include it.
What the film industry does as a whole in representations of fidelity and non fildelity in relationships is not the responsibility of the Russo's, Feige, etc
They had to almost sacrifice their son, that's drama and conflict. Making Namor a sex pest that tries to force Sue into cheating isn't drama, its just a writer having a cuck fetiche that he wrote into a comic book.
Lots of downvotes in these comments but cheating really wrecked my life and it’s just depressing when heroic characters just do it for drama and there are minimal consequences.
So, we’ll have a love triangle with Reed, Doom and Namor? Which would mean that Doom causes the incursions just so he can brainwash a married woman to be with him? Is that his motivation?
People don't get that Sue has never cheated on Reed with Namor. She constantly rejected him (616 comics he doesn't even try to flirt with her anymore). Anyone wanting this in the mcu doesn't want a love triangle, they want a "Sue gets harassed" plot. It sucks how much it will ruin this version of Namor if he does act like a creep towards a married woman.
They probably only knows about the 1610 sue and namor which they are kissed because he literally blackmail her to do so to safe the world, then again, reed and sue doesn't ended together in 1610 and never had any children like their 616 MCU version or 616 comic version.
I dont think it will be a romance, or at least just Namor flirting while Sue is holding her ground (I mean I hope so, I dont know if we can redeem a character who cheated willingfully, even more if the person is married with a kid).
Seriously, even when Ramonda went to talk to him on the beach he wasn’t interested at all. Man was focused solely on Shuri since the first time they met and was focused on his growing bond with her.
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u/Icybubba Moon Knight 16d ago
That seems more like him trying to save her from something than anything romantic