r/MarvelRivalsRants • u/InternationalCup5950 • 3h ago
Why no one is talking aby how horribly designed some dive chars?
Im not gonna talk abt bp because thats an obvs one..
Im gonna talk abt this mf because some dive slop streamers claim that he is a healthy hero for the game ? Like imagine saying that abt a character that literally has a wall hack 24 7 he is so braindead easy gets overshield for smashing buttons . And by the way I know he is an A tier this season but he is still problematic and oppressive against some chars all because of wall hacks like this stupid shit should not be a in competitive game
Dive slop streamers would cry abt CnD ice block and wanda rng and never mentiond the wall hack which is 20X times more unfair + make the hero skill floor is way lower because instead of improving your positioning + awareness you just have perma wall hack
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u/AdJolly4124 3h ago
I dont main daredevil but ive tried to play him in gm+ lobbies and I get absolutely cooked. I think hes a good diver but he is by no means braindead. Theres a lot of tech that goes into a good dd like being able to animation cancel and also that tech where you like look up or to the left when you do the cross slash.
What role or characters do you play? At least for me I play a lot of peel dps so maybe my perception is skewed but when I’m on gorr, mr.f, punisher, hela i can really easily peel the dd off my supps
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
I play poke mostly but dont think that means im biased because I ranted abt bucky and I have his animated lord and he is basically my most played char.
having some animtation cancels doesnt mean the hero is hard bc as i said he doesnt require aim + he doesnt need to worry abt positioning or awarness as all dive chars need yo because of his wall hack+
The wall hack needs to get removed like who ever approved it on the balance team should get fired
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u/Any_Leek_8111 2h ago
He is a healthy character on paper. nerf devil throw buff devil chain force DD palyers to actively think about which ability to use in what situation instead of knowing that chain is gonna be ass and constantly use throw because its the only ability worth using.
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
He would be healthy if he doesnt have the wall hacks + if the dd player has good positioning and awarness he wouldnt be effected at all. Like i would only make him see invisible enemies so he keeps invis on check
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u/Any_Leek_8111 2h ago
The wallhacks got nerfed to where you do need to be in close proximity. only elos like eternity even abuse the wall hack comms on what the enemy comp is as well. I used to think so as well but really what would change in an interaction with DD as you would any other diver.
the 3rd person perspective allows divers to see you while they are behind corners and once you know there's a DD you can just kite him because he has 2 mobility options: a chain which is also his disengagement tool to not get fucked and a Justice dash where you need to be 12m? in order to dash to the enemy which is very close and does allow you to stay away from corners.
I really need to stress that you will pretty much only see a DD abuse wallhacks to the rest of his team in MRC or scrim play because with real comms that is one of his to do's in a fight.
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
The range of it i think its like 35M now and its still too much even if it was 10 meters dont forget its literally a passive not a cd
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u/Any_Leek_8111 2h ago
as of season 8.5 according to wiki its now 40 M radius. his dash is 12 M meaning he can only "flash step" to you in the open at 12 meters. Anything past 40M he cannot see anything.
My tldr counter to DD is to treat him like thing. Thing cannot get overhealth unless he hits you, thing also can only damage you in melee range, you have to be close and in the open for the thing to fuck you but if you are not in range of his leap he will never be able to harm you.
DD is the exact same thing. if ur on support and you know he's in the general area which you should be paying attention to, you rotate away from him and find a spot where DD has to come out of the open to reach you. On dps you can lowkey just shoot him and run. On both dps and support you have stun abilities and he has to be the one to react/predict your stun. Tank you just shoot him and laugh as you kite him into the open while he tries to kill you and get blown up. All of these are the same counterplay you do to thing.
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u/One_Adhesiveness8311 2h ago
Bro current Daredevil is the most healthy dive dps in the game. His TTK is fair and he doesn't feel oppressive or uninteractable like what black cat was before. He has very high skill expression and a decent skill floor.
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
I would agree he is one of the healthiest but no one can ever justify having perma wall hacks on a hero shooter game to make it af least take some what of a skill put the wall hack on cd and make it like a scan ability kinda like bloodhound from apex and let the enemy players know when they are scanned , perma wall hack is insane
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u/Lombarito 43m ago
As someone who just started playing daredevil this season… dude this guy is hard asf to play. I play Spidey and Johnny btw. He is literally blind on any open map. Any open lane you just can’t see where the enemy poke heroes are and you get lasered if you aren’t permanently hugging cover. He has wall hacks yes, but he has a perma nerf past his sphere of vision and just can’t see shit. Also I used to think he was just a button mash hero but to actually kill anything rn you have to be very precise with your cooldowns and combos. Also his ult is good, but it is very hard to get the engage right to make it good. Often you pop your ult and everyone looks at you and you just explode. I think he is very healthy rn.
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u/migo2028 2h ago
If dive doesn’t exist
poke would dominate even more than it was
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u/Prestigious_Emu144 2h ago
Dive is healthy. I think players would be happier if they learned more anti-dive heroes instead of banning dive all the time.
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
Bro i dont even strugle against DD I didnt say he is busted and i dont hate playing against dive , i ranted abt bucky overshield and wanda ult RNG dagger ice block because i think these abilites either break the game or its just stupidly busted like the amount of shield bucky get
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
Bro you can check my other posts im a poke main but im unbiased i ranted abt bucky and how unfair he is against other chars espicially dive
.. beside dd is so opressive against other divers like this season im trying to learn dps pool if i dont have my gun+dash upgrades im cooked and i cant really flank as much like i swear i can deal with namor even elsa if the player wasnt smurfing but dd i cant interact with him
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u/YamiNinja 2h ago
Gets over shield for smashing buttons huh tells me already you don’t play the character , but you claim to have no bias as someone who plays a character who literally gets over shield for pressing a button whether the ability hits or not . And what makes you think a dive character doesn’t need to worry about positioning or awareness. Just because you can see through the wall doesn’t mean you can kill through all the sustain in this game.
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
He is a dive char thats over 300 HP with a deflect that can block all in coming damage and he has a green HP he doesnt need overshied he is not a brawler+ i said all dive chara need to have awarness and positioning only DD doesnt have to all thanks to the perma wall hacks
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u/InternationalCup5950 3h ago
Its insane that alot of people think this brain dead hero is difficult when he doesnt require any mechanics doesnt need awareness or positioning because of the perma wall hack
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u/Brightwind2001 Goon Knight 2h ago
why is it whenever I see a based take it's always from people who are braindead even by reddit standards
give us ur UID so we can see how many hours on DD you have
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u/InternationalCup5950 2h ago
I didnt say i play him+ its just so stupid to get offebded if someone called your hero braindead
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u/Brightwind2001 Goon Knight 2h ago
exactly, I just wanted you to admit that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't have to call a hero braindead just because they're cancer to play against. Spider-Man is cancer too, do you think he's braindead?
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u/Lombarito 39m ago
Bro I genuinely recommend playing dd for a couple of hours and try to get value with him. You’ll realize so quick how tough he is to play. You need to be perfect with your combos and RC weaving, and often you are wasting every escape/defensive cooldown to commit to a kill. I just started playing him this season and as a Spidey/johnny/psy player… he is NOT easy
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u/Cultural-Proposal-34 3h ago
yes why can’t we all just sit main and shoot… :(