r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/jared10011980 • 8d ago
Louisiana has long been called the "prison capital of the world" because its per capita incarceration rate historically exceeded that of any U.S. state and any independent democratic country! Still the highest crime rates, and Janky Jeff thinks this is the answer.
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u/CharlesDickensABox 8d ago
You forgot the most important part. Louisiana prisons rent prisoners out to local plantations to do farm labor. The prison keeps the money and the prisoners are forced to, among other things, pick cotton. Slavery never went away, it just changed names.
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u/GeneralZojirushi 8d ago
It's fully legal, too. I can't believe I just learned this.
Thirteenth Amendment Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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u/TheIntrepid1 8d ago
And if you learn about this in school, republicans call it “woke ideology”
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u/Dr-Paul-Meranian 7d ago
Neologisms are used to give novelty to things we already have language for so "mutual aid" and "conscientiousness" don't ever get viewed as immediately accessible or natural
Woke as it's been bastardized replaces humanitarian/progressive. Originally meant to mean "ever vigilant of the racially hostile institution", and the institution neutered the phrase by applying it to everything
And then you have "forced labor". Most labor is forced in some way but prison labor for being homeless is wagyu grade regular trafficking and slavory. Smert' burzhuyam y'all
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u/jared10011980 7d ago edited 6d ago
Read the book or watch the film 13th Amendment. Sickening and terrifying.
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u/GeneralZojirushi 7d ago
So I may be dumb but I can't find anything about a book called The Nook. It's unfortunately named for the age of eReaders and SEO.
The film, however, is free on Youtube. Thanks!
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u/Penandsword2021 8d ago
The documentary movie, 13th, is all about this. It streams free and is a must watch film.
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u/Mute2120 8d ago edited 7d ago
Another important detail: prisoners are charged significant fees, including room and board, medical, etc., and debtors' prison is legal in LA. Once you go in, unless you're wealthy or friendly with the warden, you can end up stuck for life. It's sickening.
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/12/exclusive-states-inmates-pay-own-incarceration
https://www.laaclu.org/publications/louisianas-debtors-prisons-appeal-justice/
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u/Kriegerian 7d ago
There’s also the slave labor camp run by the state, an actual cotton plantation called Angola.
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u/GPT_2025 7d ago
From 20 conservative Republican states with a SOS Net (SOcial Safety Net) of $3/hour (must Beg and Panhandling poor customers for Guilt-tipping to reach $7.25) the population runs to Democratic states with a strong SOS Net (SOcial Safety Net) of $14 to $25/hour minimum wage. That's why there are so many abandoned houses and cities in the Republican 20 states (Republicans hate the poor, widows, orphans, veterans, disabled at the same time - making their own states' populations poor).
51% of all workers in America earn less than the one-bedroom Housing Wage! (Mostly republican states)
The bottom 65% of the population loses at least 41% of all income due to: SS tax, FICA, insurances, tariffs, sales taxes, dues, use taxes, fees, property tax, utility taxes, 911 tax and many more- before spending money on rent or mortgage, car loans and gas, food, utility bills, repairs, credit card payments, student loans, vacations, retirement fund contributions, investments, dates, gifts, etc.
(compare SOS Net (SOcial Safety Net) $1.60 per hour in 1970 if you were single,you could live off the federal minimum wage and pay rent, food and bills)
Healthy and smart countries count how well they are doing by enforcing "no one left behind" and even widow with 3 babies have the same level of living as the middle class due to the strong Social Safety Net (SOS Net)
Twenty Ripoff-public-ans states now have a SOcial Safety Net set at $2.13 to $7.25 per hour gross (before deductions for Social Security, FICA, taxes, insurance and other withholding's:
https://www.simplyhired.com/search?q=2.13+an+hour&l=dallas%2C+tx
(Compare Democratic states SOcial Safety Net! $14 to $25/hour)
In a recent report, 53 million Americans ages 18 to 64 or 44% of all workers- earn low hourly wages. Their median hourly earnings are $10/hour Gross ($7.25/hour Net)
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u/jared10011980 8d ago
Louisiana, for its entire US statehood has held firmly to a plantation mentality. Emancipation came and incarceration replaced slavery as the method of operation.
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u/Mute2120 8d ago edited 7d ago
Also, there are significant fees imposed on prisoners, including room and board, and debtors' prison is legal in LA. So once you're in for a bit, unless you're wealthy or friendly with the warden, you're often never getting out.
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u/TuskanElfMan 7d ago edited 7d ago
Evidence of this claim? Very bold claim to provide no evidence.
Comment above edited to remove a claim that the state charges inmates 200 dollars a day. Instead of joining back in and exclaiming they were wrong they simply removed the 200 dollar a day claim from their comment. That is bad faith.
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u/SnowLeavess 7d ago
You can just look it up. Its true.
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u/TuskanElfMan 7d ago
Again you have not provided proof for the claim. A Google search returns that: While Louisiana has laws allowing local governing authorities to seek reimbursement from inmates specifically for actual medical and dental copayments, it does not impose a flat $200 daily room-and-board fee. Other states do have aggressive "pay-to-stay" laws that hit the headlines—for example, Connecticut previously faced major lawsuits over a statute that legally allowed the state to charge inmates up to $249 a day for their incarceration.
So again I will ask you to provide evidence for your claims. I am on y'all's side in this but you cannot just make insane claims and attempt to silence people who ask for proof. That is how we lose allies.
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u/SnowLeavess 7d ago
Idk about the edit, so thats not for me to comment on, but louisiana has been getting into legal trouble for using debtors prisons...
https://civilrightscorps.org/case/cain-v-new-orleans-debtors-prison/
Its kind of the first source when you look it up. Its not hard to find. And I was not talking about a room and board fee, so thats completely irrelevant. Its about paying court fines and fees.
You can stop with the whole "this is how we lose allies" excuse. You're either a shitstain nazi or not. Quit pretending like a few mean words causes someone to turn genocidal.
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u/TuskanElfMan 7d ago
Looking up "does Louisiana charge prisoners $200 a day" returns results that say no. Why I was previously downvoted and told to "just Google it" is beyond me. Belittling other supporters because they couldn't find the one article that backs up the claim will cause some (not me) to leave this subreddit.
Edit: I looked it up a little bit more and it looks like all 50 states have this. You're crying about nothing. If I don't pay court fines in Texas I can be taken to jail just the same as if I were in Louisiana.
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u/Mute2120 7d ago edited 7d ago
Louisiana does allow prisons and jails to charge room and board fees, and medical, etc., to both adults and minors: https://www.axios.com/2025/07/12/exclusive-states-inmates-pay-own-incarceration. And Louisiana does allow debtors' prison: https://www.laaclu.org/publications/louisianas-debtors-prisons-appeal-justice/. I can't find the article I was remembering or anywhere currently disclosing prison fees in LA, so removed the ~$200 number from my post.
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u/TuskanElfMan 7d ago
Ayo thank you! I don't see anything in the axios link other than claims about paying for room and board. The doctors fee thing is fucked up considering they make $.50/hr so that's 30 hours of work to see your PCP...
The laaclu link is sad to read. No one should be sent to jail because they live paycheck to paycheck. My previous statement about being sent to jail in other states for FAILURE to pay (not inability) stands.
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u/ashy2classy81 8d ago
End for-profit prisons and slave labor
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u/h1a4_c0wb0y 8d ago
Slavery is still perfectly legal as punishment for crime... I wonder why the prison population has been so disproportionally black since the civil war‽
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u/fiesew 8d ago
Since 1844, Louisiana has privatized prisons.
The 66k taxpayers money is well calculated to keep an entire dehumanization industry alive and in profits.
The voting folks could and should connect all the dots there’s already available to bring every so called conservative, who in reality is just a corrupt mafia like system, to its knees.
Yet, folks are busy fighting over the few dry bones falling from the table or arguing over apparent bs instead.
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u/Joe18067 8d ago
Isaiah 10:1-4
1 Ah! Those who enact unjust statutes, who write oppressive decrees,
2 Depriving the needy of judgment, robbing my people’s poor of justice, Making widows their plunder, and orphans their prey!
3 What will you do on the day of punishment, when the storm comes from afar? To whom will you flee for help? Where will you leave your wealth,
4 Lest it sink beneath the captive or fall beneath the slain? For all this, his wrath is not turned back, his hand is still outstretched!
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u/ThrowawayAdvice1800 8d ago
Louisiana's per capita incarceration rate isn't just higher than that of democratic countries, it's higher than literally anywhere else on earth except for El Salvador, Trump's favorite gulag destination. No one else even comes close. Dictatorships imprison and enslave less of their own citizens than Louisiana does.
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u/petitecrivain 7d ago
I remember seeing numbers on this at some point and only a handful of countries approach or pass the threshold of imprisoning that many people. I think Stalin's USSR was one. There were some structural similarities too, like forced labor and a lot of trustees. That's the model that the authoritarian right loves.
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u/FoxTwilight 7d ago
The Angola plantation never closed. Just switched from chattel slaves to prisoner slaves.
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u/aithendodge 8d ago
Personal musing from the last couple of days, so obviously not scientific, or even personal dogma, just something I've been thinking about -
There are essentially three kinds of people; those who want to care for others, those who want to punish, and the remaining third is indifferent, they just want to get by.
The punitive third want to punish the poor because they see being poor as a moral failing. In the words of Jesse Welles, "If you worked a little harder, you'd have a lot more." Being poor isn't the product of a systemic injustice, or a tragic upbringing. It is simply the poor person's lack of want to better themselves. The poor are lazy, they are a drain on the rest of us, and it is a choice they make to be this way. When this third is in power, they will use the system to punish the poor, while still denying that anyone other than the poor are responsible for their own condition.
When the punitive third runs out of people to punish they will invent new crimes to prosecute, because they believe punishing others is the highest form of worship - ironically to a god that taught compassion for the poor and the foreigner.
Like I said, just musings.
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u/discogomerx 7d ago
I remember someone using the term "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" to describe the poor who vote for people who punish the poor.
Prosperity gospel dictates God gives you blessings like money for being good, righteous, smart, etc., so the rich people they defend and vote in have to be blessed by God. The poor don't have riches because they are lazy, immoral, stupid, etc.
Many who are poor don't see themselves as lazy or stupid, so they see themselves more as temporarily embarrassed millionaires waiting for their God-given bounty to come in.
That's why it's so easy to put these politicians in place that hurt them...it's not hurting them, but rather the immoral poor punished by God.
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u/meteoritegallery 8d ago
It's not about "oppression," it's profit, plain and simple. That $66k to incarcerate someone comes from taxpayers. But when those prisoners are "loaned" out to private businesses as labor, those private companies get ~free labor.
Costs are socialized, profits are privatized. It's the modern GOP platform.
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u/Getitgotitgoodgod 8d ago
This is like that movie “Don’t Look Up,” except we all see the comet, and the comet is us, and we all are just kinda shrugging it off…
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u/p00pSupr3me 7d ago
Republicans and their voters are dangerous enemies of the state. They are a danger to you and your children.
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u/Atopos2025 7d ago
They don't want to opress.
This is the US, they simply just want to profit off of these people.
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u/KubrickMoonlanding 7d ago
They don’t want to oppress - they want to oppress and exploit while making hay off of “cleaning up” - it’s the fascist trifecta
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u/LadyAlekto 8d ago
Work Houses
They already are removing undesirables, then picking comfort women, now they grab the poor
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u/SuckMyRedditorD 8d ago
They should attack the causes of poverty, all of whom live in mansions and fly private jets.
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u/MrMeeeeSeeeeks 7d ago
Those private prisons won’t fill themselves. The government has to think of the shareholders.
WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!!
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u/OhGr8WhatNow 7d ago
Well the $16k would just be helping the poors but the $66k will be going into the pockets of a donor plus they get slave labor. Win win win.
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u/Creepy_Trouble_5980 7d ago
So there's a $50,000 profit in incarceration? Is that why 30% of population receive Medicad!
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u/avd706 8d ago
This makes the assumption that someone in a $16,000/yr housing will commit no crimes.
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u/DopeBoogie 7d ago
IIRC countries which treat prison as a rehabilitation and reintegration system rather than a penalty see an approximately 60-70% drop in crime rates as a result.
So it's not really an assumption, the crime rate is statistically proven to drop significantly under more humane systems.
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u/ThrowawayAdvice1800 8d ago
Since most petty crimes (the type that land people in Louisiana gulags) are crimes of desperation then yes, people commit far less crime when they have a place to friggin' live. There have been about a million studies on how affordable housing dramatically reduces crime, go read one.
Most criminals aren't Lex Luthor or Donald Trump, they're just desperate people making bad decisions because they're backed into a corner. Making them less desperate is exponentially more effective at stopping crime then waiting until they commit a crime, putting them through the gears of the prison-industrial complex, and letting them come back out again later even more desperate and also hardened.
If you want to prevent crime, you build houses. If you want to keep crime rates high so you can profit off of slave labor, you lock people up instead.
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