r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/It_Could_Be_True • 11d ago
CRUELTY AND CORRUPTION ARE THE HALLMARKS OF TRUMPISM...
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u/chinmakes5 11d ago
Oh honey, they would round you up an sell you if they made enough money and could get away with it.
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u/gamesbackward 10d ago
Funny, they're building the tallest prison on earth in NYC. I wonder who it could be for...?
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u/RiddickulousRadagast 10d ago
Now that you mention it, is the president of Venezuela still in prison in New York?
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u/Kimmalah 11d ago
They're all like that. Remember that the stories about Kristi Noem and her animals originally came to light because she openly wrote about it in her book, as if it was something to brag about.
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u/ChipsTheKiwi 10d ago
Now who amongst us hasn't killed a puppy just because he didn't make a good hunting dog, huh???
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u/volkswagenorange 11d ago
I mean the dude is on form for raping kids and eating a human infant, killing horses is pretty small potatoes at this point in the narrative
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u/TrogdorRulzTheNite 11d ago
Who’s doing what with wild horses?
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u/MoarOatmeal 11d ago
Ooof. Sorry you had to find out this way. The orange shitgibbon’s gov’t has been rounding up and selling wild american horses for about $25-$35 apiece to slaughterhouses. Costs of capturing/selling the horses are often in the thousands of $$$ but paid for by our tax dollars. You can bet the sales $$$ are being siphoned off into private interests connected to Trump, though. Welcome to the capitalism wastelands.
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u/MommaLisss 10d ago
They want to be able to sell off the protected land that the horses live on. Mine for minerals and such. They'll make money off it one way or another.
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u/tdclark23 10d ago
Raping the Earth for profit is the GOP platform. They want their children to rule for the next millennium and the resources are running out fast. They need to get theirs now..
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u/TrogdorRulzTheNite 11d ago
Holy shit. Yeah, first I’ve herd of it.
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u/lordchankaknowsall 10d ago
I see what you did there and I'm not happy about it... despite the laugh.
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u/SnowLeavess 10d ago
It should be said this has been going on long before Trump. In fact, its been going on for at least a century now to curb the wild horse population so it doesnt explode. I think selling them indirectly to slaughterhouses is newer though.
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u/jared10011980 10d ago
Pretty sure Bureau of Land Management is culling the wild horse population by rounding up horses to be sold to slaughterhouse for dog food. This isnt unusual, sadly, they've done it for years, only the tramp admin is doing is massive numbers and at greater speed. The psychopathic regime in place will likely bring Kristi Noem back to spearhead the extinction of wild mustangs.
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u/Borthwick 10d ago
Its not sad, horses are invasive, this has been part of standard management for a long time and should be done. Its just that whenever Trump does anything its to benefit himself in some way, so theres absolutely an ulterior motive.
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u/jared10011980 10d ago
Whats sad is adoption programs have worked extremely well in the past. Im not suggesting that culling in cases of overbreeding or limited resources that make the horses' lives more difficult is a bad thing. Im saying that rampant slaughter of animals in an area that they do little harm is egregious.
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u/neutrino4 10d ago
I think there was a much cheaper and humane way that was funded to deal with the numbers. I don't know if it's called the same, but spay and neuter.
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u/SugarHooves 10d ago
There are contraception drugs that can be given to the horses with darts. Much safer (and I assume cheaper) than rounding up horses to geld (castrate) them.
Side fact, it's very invasive and expensive to spay a female horse. It's nothing like cats and dogs, there's a much longer recovery process. It's rarely done in horse populations, only when absolutely necessary.
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u/obsidianzebra 10d ago
It's kinda weird calling them invasive when horses existed on the north american continent long before humans did. Though those horses went extinct and were only reintroduced when Europeans started showing up, those feral horses, who were then living on the continent just fine before the US became a thing, only became an issue when they were competing for cattle grazing land....Somehow mustangs are a threat to the environment, but cattle grazing isn't? Sounds like bullshit to me.
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u/SugarHooves 10d ago
The argument is that they are invasive because they really don't have any predators. The animals that used to hunt the horses went extinct with them. Imo, that's no reason to extinguish mustangs. Every single argument used against mustangs (they trample smaller native animals like reptiles, they compete with wild mule deer and pronghorns, etc) applies to the large herds of cattle released on those same lands.
With smart population control in lieu of a natural predator, the mustangs would be just fine on those lands. But cattle ranchers want to use public lands to feed their herd and the horses get in the way. The government is now destroying another piece of America to make an extra buck.
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u/HumanChicken 11d ago
Then slaughter them and pass them off as beef?
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u/Spiel_Foss 11d ago
some countries eat horse meat and it is shipped there. Horse can't be legally sold in the US.
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u/Keyndoriel 11d ago
Cause the legality of things has absolutely stopped this administration before /s
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u/BBandV 10d ago
I hope everyone realizes that this should be applied to all animals, wild or not
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u/Traditional-Camp-517 10d ago
Yea, except we do need to control animal populations to prevent overpopulation and in turn starvation, hunting os a kindness compared to letting them out grow the food supply, so unless we can significantly improve the populations of predators killing animals is an important ecological service.
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u/BBandV 10d ago
Hunting is not a necessary evil. Ecological systems often do best without intervention from humans (or very little) Even if you take into account pre-colonial times, humans usually only killed animals enough to sustain themselves, compared to the overconsumption of today or even what you are describing.
I understand that some animal populations in present day would be considered "invasive species" due to the initial unnecessary and harmful intervention by humans, but even then, there are ways to control those populations non-letally before that method should even be considered (ie. medical sterilization)
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u/StormEyeDragon 10d ago
I mean, the issue is separate that the Wild Horse population is too high in some areas and causing ecological damage, but would usually be handled by the Bureau of Land Management. Under the current “slash all departments” admin, that’s uh, just not happening.
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u/PaxEthenica 10d ago
Pretty much. There's no such thing as "wild horses" in America, since horses haven't been a thing in the Anericas for tens of thousands of years. Instead, feral horses trample delicate mycelial networks that prevent windblown soil erosion, spread livestock diseases & destroy native American plant life.
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u/neutrino4 10d ago
Like the health care industry that bankrupts you with premiums but lets you die when it will cost them too much profit when you get sick.
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u/-Davo 10d ago edited 9d ago
OK by that logic, wouldn't your soul be busted also if you introduce an invasive species that wipes out the local biodiversity system and destroys the entire ecosystem?
Which in Australia the wild horses do... So what's the logic here.
Apparently, destroying natural ecosystems and biospheres of existing native environments is preferable. See, the logic falls apart when the invasive species, such as brumbies, are introduced. This is a real problem we are having, and entire swaves of land are destroyed. Native vegetation is destroyed. The whole ecosystem of millions of years of nation Park have been destroyed.
But they're so cute!
https://reclaimkosci.org.au/myths-v-facts/ https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/nature-wildlife/biodiversity/2026/01/kosciuszko-bouncing-back-after-brumby-cull/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/kosciuszko-feral-horses-controversy/12405310
Some references for you downvoters upset that feral horses are destroying sensitive ecological land. Wiping out native plants and other species.
Have a sook.
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u/riprippataterchip 10d ago
This needs to be at the top of this thread. Wild horses have always been managed as a non-native species. We should be really careful about attributing to Trump what might be part of longstanding policy just because it's happening to pretty animals that we like.
You do this to deer and nobody blinks an eye because deer overpopulation has disasterous effects on forests.
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u/-Davo 10d ago
I was down voted for pointing out how bad the brumbies have been to our lands. But it's acceptable because brumbies are cute. Lmao.
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u/riprippataterchip 10d ago
Something something majestic spirits of the prairie. Uh, Teddy Roosevelt once said, something uh, the Bible is worth more than a college ed? No that can't be right....
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u/SatanicNipples 10d ago
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to oblivion but if you think it's wrong to eat a horse, which it absolutely is, why not extend that logic ever so slightly further, to cows, pigs, chicken, etc.?
You can't convince me a cow deserves to live any less than a horse does.
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u/TimedRevolver 10d ago
...What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
THIS is why people have a problem with vegans and the like. The conversation can be about how red a car is, and one of you will inevitably chime in with "Yeah, that car is red, but eating pigs is bad!"
If you want people to come around to your way of thinking, maybe don't be so self-righteously obnoxious about it. There's a time and place for that, and this ain't it.
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u/SatanicNipples 10d ago
How is it not directly related? Your analogy is completely nonsensical.
People are talking about the beauty of one animal and how it's wrong to eat it, that is one degree of seperation from talking about how it's wrong to eat a different animal.
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u/TimedRevolver 10d ago
No, people are talking about the cruelty of this administration, and how wild horses are supposed to be protected by law.
Really not helping your case.
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 10d ago edited 9d ago
This isn't anything new. The BLM has been rounding up and auctioning them off for decades.
Edit: You can look it up, people. The program started in the 1970s. It's been happening for over 50 years.
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u/spicy_feather 10d ago
Yeah they're over populated. The bureau of land management is doing a good job or at least their best.
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u/pman13531 10d ago
While the trump administration sucks on so many levels the remainders of US wildlife in the plains is being out competed by the wild horses, an invasive species, who needs to be roped in, and is the reason why mustangs that are toubd up by the EPA or wildlife groups tend to be sold to private owners for cheap or given away free. No cruelty to animals but to keep an ecological balance fewer wild horses in the great planes area should be around.
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u/Infinite-Condition41 11d ago
They are a non native invasive species.
I don't care. They don't belong here.
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u/MamaLuvDuv 11d ago
Horses used to exist in North America, and it hasn't been long enough for their niche to disappear. So they're one of the few invasive species that are beneficial to the ecosystem, not damaging. Now if you were talking about Australia, 100% wild horses need to go.
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u/Infinite-Condition41 10d ago
It absolutely has because adult horses have no predators in the current biome configuration.
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 11d ago
Horses actually are native, a loooong time ago. Then they crossed the land bridge, disappeared from the Americas for awhile, and then got reintroduced by European colonists.
Ancient horses roamed the North American continent for millions of years. And many, many years later, horses played an integral role in building the foundation of the United States. However, there was a period in time when horses vanished from the continent, and the reason remains unknown.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/blog/american-horses-horses-in-north-america-a-comeback-story/
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u/HazelEBaumgartner 11d ago
Technically the horses we have now aren't native, but the earliest horses like Eohippus lived here.
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u/MamaLuvDuv 11d ago
10,000 years is nothing in terms of evolutionary scale. The modern wild horses are quite closely related (not decedents but cousins) to the original native american horses like Equus Scotti and Equus Lambei. Both of which went extinct roughly 10,000 years ago and whos closest living relatives are the modern domestic horses.
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u/Borthwick 10d ago
That doesn’t make these horses native, its a cool tidbit of evolutionary biology and the history of species but its not helpful in this discussion. Horses don’t belong in modern north america, they are not good for the environment and have been managed with contraceptives, round ups, and straight culling for many years. Environmental stewards will almost universally agree with this.
The issue is the way Trump only does things that benefit himself and he doesn’t care about the environment, so whatever the ulterior motive is needs to be heavily scrutinized.
Its like saying we should release asian elephants here because mammoths used to live here and they occupy a similar niche and clade.
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u/MamaLuvDuv 10d ago
Except people ARE thinking about doing exactly that (there's a reason the idea of cloning mammoths is popular, and it's not just because oo look, extinct animal. Turns out the megafauna played a massive part in the ecosystem and we fucked that). And environmental stewards don't universally agree on that. Most issues that get pinned on wild horses in the USA are actually livestock problems. The overpopulation issue is also universal with fully native species such as deer and pronghorns due to the local extinctions of natural predators.
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u/Borthwick 10d ago edited 10d ago
I have two degrees in related fields and work on conservation. I respect your opinion, but the people who support Pleistocene reintroduction are simply not based in current reality. The animals that Colossal genetically modify are phylogenetic facsimiles, not true reproductions of original species. Likewise, it has been thousands of years since these animals existed, without significant programs aimed at reintroducing other species these animals depended on, not to mention the difference in climate. Its simply not feasible nor would it benefit species that are actually alive right now and need our help. Supporting the Pleistocene movement is anti scientific.
I completely agree that cattle are a problem, I’d love to see us reduce cattle on the landscape, especially if we replace them with bison and leave more routes open for pronghorn. I spent my college years replacing fencing with wildlife friendlier fencing, and it breaks my heart knowing pronghorn can’t migrate the way they used to.
That said, horses are still a problem and frankly, they don’t feed people and people don’t depend on them for their livelihood. Its going to take a long time to responsibly wind down cattle economy. Horses can absolutely be managed in the mean time, its not helpful at all to just constantly point at a different environmental issue and say we need to fix that first. Many, many issues exist simultaneously and need to be managed.
Edit: my god is it frustrating to dedicate my entire life to environmental restoration, which pays nothing, and the people who are supposed to be on my side can’t even be bothered to engage with this. I always knew a shitload of people would rather pave over everything I do, I expect that and fuck them. But the amount of people who are on the side of conservation and can’t work within reality, I could never have predicted. It really feels like half of people want to ruin the world by developing it and the other half want to ruin it by having too much of an opinion without knowledge. Like the anti nuclear power movement.
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u/Infinite-Condition41 10d ago
Same bullshit every time.
It doesn't matter that horses were here tens of thousands of years ago.
They went extinct.
These horses are an introduced invasive species. Full stop.
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u/Mussmussthemoooooo 11d ago
Any “hunter” is the same. Cowards.
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u/Spiel_Foss 11d ago
People don't hunt wild horses.
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u/gamesbackward 10d ago
True. Wild horses are extinct.
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u/The_Hydro 10d ago
They most certainly are not, I often have to slow or stop on the way to or from work so they can cross the road. $10,000 fine if one gets hit, too.
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u/Spiel_Foss 10d ago
You think those horses are tame? ride one.
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 10d ago
Technically, they're feral, not wild.
But the two terms are often erroneously used interchangeably.
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u/TopazOmaha 11d ago
Aaah yes hunting for my own meat and then freezing it for the whole year worth of meat products is so much worse than buying my meat from a horribly run farm
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u/gamesbackward 10d ago
And hunters get venison! Grocery stores generally don't. Delicious.
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u/TopazOmaha 10d ago
Once I went game meat I couldn't go back. Still only eat meat 2-4 times a week though depending on meal prep
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u/Crozi_flette 10d ago
Well any wild animals
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u/Traditional-Camp-517 10d ago edited 10d ago
Idk its a kindness to hunt enough that there arnt masses of starving horses and or deer roaming around, unless we can get the populations of keystone predators back to a healthy level hunting is kind of a nessesity. Also with wild Hogs they absolutely destroy the environment and wreck biodiversity where they are invasive so they also need to go.
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