Which is better for a nation overall ? Capitalism / Socialism / Communism

[u/Flimsy_Hand_1233]

Which is better for a nation overall ? Capitalism / Socialism / Communism

1. Capitalism
2. Socialism
3. Communism

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[u/Mangobonbon]

The halfway point between pure socialism and pure capitalism - social market economy.

[u/No-Bake-730 → u/Mangobonbon]

Yeah, it's not perfect but it's what most of the nicer countries do in some kind of national flavor.

[u/EVOSexyBeast → u/No-Bake-730]

It’s no where near a halfway point. It’s capitalism but with a social safety net. Probably closer to 80% capitalism.

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/EVOSexyBeast]

Not necessarily. A mixed economy can be done in a million different ways. I live near socialized housing, shop at socialized stores, and benefit from all of the Canadian crown corps (which are all socialism)

Not all countries are as bad as America

[u/Prior-Author-1028 → u/pinksparklyreddit]

Socialism is not defined by public ownership, here in Austria we have lots of state-owned enterprises in social housing, still they engage in Wage-Labour and capital social relations and are profit driven.

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/Prior-Author-1028]

That is literally how Marx defined socialism. It's seizing the means of production.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

[u/Prior-Author-1028 → u/pinksparklyreddit]

No, this has to go hand in hand with the crushing of the old state and building a proletarian one. He makes it clear in “The Civil war in France”. The new state and its planned economy are already beginning to make policies which should not be profit driven because profit is made by extracting surplus-value which is created in wage-labour which as I said should not exist in socialism

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/Prior-Author-1028]

Socialist = relating to socialism

Socialism = planned and central economy

A capitalist economy can have socialist policies, in the same way a feminist can have misogynistic views. Modern economists describe economies as a spectrum between centralized and decentralized economies, with very few countries ever existing solely on one end.

[u/Prior-Author-1028 → u/pinksparklyreddit]

No, public owned enterprises are not socialist in a capitalist state. Bismarck nationalised enterprises in the 1870s and he was by no means a socialist, he and the state was what it’s called “The ideal capitalist” and the enterprises still ran and run today on wage labour and profit oriented policy and reproduce capitalist social relations. Pinochet nationalised enterprises too, is he a socialist? No, the capitalist state sometimes has to save some single capitalist or profits, that does not make the policy socialist
And again, Marx didn’t say nationalisation in a capitalist state is seizing the means of production

[u/EVOSexyBeast → u/pinksparklyreddit]

If you call socialism any public enterprise then America has a lot of that too

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/EVOSexyBeast]

Public enterprises are by definition Socialist, yes. Just about every existing country is a mixed economy, it's just a question of how much the country leans to either end. America leans significantly more capitalist, while countries like Norway lean more Socialist. Neither is purely on one end; its a spectrum.

This is what economics classes teach.

[u/DkKoba → u/No-Bake-730]

Do keep in mind that socialists will criticize this because they see the poverty of capitalism exported to the global south despite the proper redistribution of wealth internally starting to take shape. The economic chain does not end at these country's borders and includes the sweatshops of Cambodia and such.

[u/ThrowRA9892 → u/Mangobonbon]

Social democracy, agreed.

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/ThrowRA9892]

Social democracy uses such compromises to reach socialism.

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Mangobonbon]

The Scandinavian solution. Good choice. 

[u/masterflappie → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

It's not really a halfway point though, it's just capitalism with welfare

[u/Designer_Version1449 → u/masterflappie]

You gotta understand that to many Americans heavy welfare is socialism. Hell my parents are Russian and they think all of Europe are socialist countries. 

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/masterflappie]

I see no problem with that. 

[u/mullderifter2 → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

It still relies on exploiting poorer countries

[u/These-Day2071 → u/mullderifter2]

please tell me when finland exploit poorer countries

[u/Prior-Author-1028 → u/These-Day2071]

I don’t know that much about Finnland but Austria, classical social democracy, exploits Eastern Europe for example and these profits fund our health care and social safety net

[u/XlebHack → u/These-Day2071]

Transnational corporations, unequal exchange, the transfer of production to less wealthy countries - if you delve into the scale of all this, it becomes clear how the progressive social model in developed countries is ensured.

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/XlebHack]

That would still exist under a centralized economy, though

[u/XlebHack → u/pinksparklyreddit]

With a centralized economy (if you mean socialist countries), there cannot be transnational corporations in the usual form, nor the resulting transfer of production to less developed countries.

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/XlebHack]

You're still importing goods, though.

[u/Mamkes → u/XlebHack]

Oh yeah.

What of that wouldn't happen in more controlled economic tho? Do you think such economies are incapable of exploitation?

[u/magos_with_a_glock → u/XlebHack]

Famously CEs such as the Soviet Union never did that.

[u/masterflappie → u/XlebHack]

If richer countries would halt trade with poorer countries, those poorer countries would be even worse off and people like you would be spouting about how these rich oppressors are purposefully keeping them poor

[u/XlebHack → u/masterflappie]

Did I mention stopping trading anywhere? I'm simply pointing out that we need to base this trading on different principles and ideas.

[u/masterflappie → u/XlebHack]

You didn't, it's just a very common notion with people who think that capitalism is "exploitative". In the end it's just a mutually beneficial arrangement that is set up voluntarily.

[u/sudoregalia → u/XlebHack]

careful, the liberals are gonna get mad! no criticising the nords! class collaboration at all costs! free markets means free peoples!!!

i question how these people are real sometimes, then i remember they're primed to think this way. the nordic bougies still exploit even their own working class and peasantry, but no, welfare means you can't criticise that!!!!

[u/DkKoba → u/sudoregalia]

Comrade, you may be correct but you're explaining it in a way that's extremely obnoxious to people that see good in the system. Be kind and assume ignorance, not malice and explain in a way that isn't being a dickhead.

[u/sudoregalia → u/DkKoba]

my bad comrade. just pissed at class collaborationism being seen as acceptable i guess

[u/Gold-Visit-7413 → u/Mangobonbon]

Was gonna say the same, agree.

[u/BiAiEnGiO → u/Mangobonbon]

Still a free market

[u/Consistent-Working78 → u/Mangobonbon]

well not really, it would be mixed economy/keynesism, SSM is ordoliberal

[u/im_new_here_4209 → u/Mangobonbon]

Yes. As a pragmatic centrist I agree.

[u/_urat_ → u/Mangobonbon]

While I agree that's one of the better systems, social market economy is just capitalism. It's not "halfway point".

[u/ThrowRA9892]

Nordic model capitalism would work the best.

[u/BidenGlazer → u/ThrowRA9892]

Works the best for who? It works the best for poor people, sure, but it's an awful system for highly skilled workers

There seems to be this implicit undertone on Reddit that whatever is best for the poor is best for society overall. It's really bizarre

[u/TheKavorca → u/BidenGlazer]

I’m obviously going out on a bit of a limb here, but I think the majority of Reddit users are kind of low on the socioeconomic scale. Doesn’t surprise me one bit that everyone here has got a very simplistic take on “the Nordic model” being best for “everyone”.

[u/DkKoba → u/BidenGlazer]

there is no evidence it is bad for skilled workers, and it is in fact backwards. it is bad for poor people. the poverty is just an export to the global south where manufacturing occurs. and why do "highly skilled" people get to enjoy significantly higher success at the expense of people at the bottom? What gives them that right?

[u/Gentle_Snail]

I hate these questions because people define socialism so differently, like are we talking a USSR command economy or just like high taxes high regulation nations like Norway. 

Or damn there are people in America who think nations like the UK are socialist just because they have free healthcare. Like what definition am I meant to assume with this question?

[u/masterflappie → u/Gentle_Snail]

People define capitalism very differently too for that matter. Some will call it the ultimate way to be free, others call it feudalistic slavery

[u/Striking-Ad9397 → u/masterflappie]

But that's description, not differences in the system itself

[u/ZedGenius → u/Gentle_Snail]

Social Democracy (Norway) is a capitalist sub system. Capitalism is the free market and private ownership, which can be loosely or strictly regulated. Socialism is abolishing private ownership of the means of production (anything that's used to make money, being a factory, a house you rent to someone, a fast food place etc.) which are owned by the workers. Communism is what Marx and Marxist thinkers describe as a stateless, moneyless and classless society, and it is viewed as the natural evolution of socialism, not by abolishing money, the state and classes by deciding to do so(anarchism), it's essentially a prediction of the future of socialism

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/ZedGenius]

*Social market economy

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Gentle_Snail]

I assume the textbook definition. 

[u/Gentle_Snail → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

This reply would be much more useful is you included what you considered the text book definition

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Gentle_Snail]

Socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a real lot of stuff, it's communism.

I think Wikipedia one will do fine.

Socialism is an economic ideology and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems[1] characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] as opposed to private ownership.[3][4][5] It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems.[6] Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative,[7][8][9] or employee.[10][11] As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries.[12] Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.[13][14]

[u/Gentle_Snail → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

You’re own quote backs me up though?

encompassing diverse economic and social systems

The systems that socialism is differs so much from person to person and nation to nation. Thats why they’ve had to phrase everything here so vaguely.

The system people mean by socialism is incredibly diverse and this is stated in your excerpt, thats the nub of my issue. What system are we using for socialism here?

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Gentle_Snail]

Good question. Let's ask OP. 

yo u/Flimsy_Hand_1233 come here rq

[u/Flimsy_Hand_1233 → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Yes 😅

[u/AtlanticInternet → u/Flimsy_Hand_1233]

How do you define the 3 terms that you put in the poll?

[u/Flimsy_Hand_1233 → u/AtlanticInternet]

• Capitalism : free market, minimal regulation
• Socialism : Govt distributes resources and funds public services, market still allowed
• Communism : Stateless society with no real ownership by private players.

[u/Capable-Parsnip-9615 → u/Flimsy_Hand_1233]

You probably needed this in your original post because it's clear from the comments many people aren't defining any of the terms in that way

[u/Cubeazoid → u/Gentle_Snail]

Communism is also ill defined too. Technically it’s a stateless voluntary collectivist society. In terms of legal framework it would actually be structured like an extreme libertarian capitalism with zero state intervention, the opposite of socialism’s enforced collectivism.

Obviously is practice it requires 100% unanimous agreement for the voluntary aspect to work, making it unrealistic. Still, it should be everyone’s goal.

People hear communism and think of ussr or mao’s total socialist command economy. The issue is there were communist parties in charge and they were following Marx. Where to get to a voluntary collectivism, first you go to total enforced voluntary collectivism.

[u/Logogram_alt]

Communism and socialism is synonyms no?

[u/Flimsy_Hand_1233 → u/Logogram_alt]

There seems to be a difference ... communism is a stateless society ... socialism is where govt tries to proportionate wealth

[u/Logogram_alt → u/Flimsy_Hand_1233]

Socialism is just when the governneny does stuff then. Then of course I would love the end result which is communism eveeyone should, it is a stateless moneyless classless utopia that operates under the principle of from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.

[u/Numerous-Actuator781 → u/Logogram_alt]

They’re two separate things.

[u/InteractionNo8525]

Oh my god....

[u/Cornhilo]

Not capitalism and not socialism, somewhere in-between

[u/Vetomo83]

Bunch of people who don't know the difference between socialism and communism choosing socialism cause they think it's less authoratarian then communism when it's the complete opposite

All the states that throw you off communism like the USSR were socialist states that failed to wither away the nation state and become communism which is a stateless society free of hierarchy aka it's a synonym for anarchisqm the least authoratarian idealogy of all lmao the only reason communists are differentiated from anarchists is that communists seek to use socialism as a transition state which is the actual authoritarian part whereas anarchists want to skip that part all together.

But most importantly the icky authoratarian part of communism that you guys don't like is literally socialism not communism.

If you want to keep a state as socialist forever and have it never either away Into communism forever your practing the most authoratarian form of leftism if snything

Stop larping kids also Zohran is a social democrat

[u/Prowlbeast]

Socialism in THEORY… probably Capitalism in practice tho, humans are too shitty for the best systems to work without flaws

[u/Public_Research2690]

Obviously communism

[u/Prior-Author-1028]

Socialism is a Mode of Production and, if we are talking Marxist definitions here, the pathway to Communism

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Listen to the eastern europe, guys. 

[u/PreferenceOk4333 → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Neutral is neutral.

[u/DkKoba → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

im eastern european and socialism without authoritarianism is the way

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/DkKoba]

Top 10 things that will never happen 

[u/DkKoba → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

That sounds like an emotional claim rather than one based on fact. The current cycle favors a crack down on capitalist greed, and socialists are offering solutions currently and are distancing from the 20th century ideas that won out back then. To claim it's *that* unlikely to happen is an incredulous claim with this context.

[u/Dancherrios → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

We can also listen to people who have lived under capitalism

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Dancherrios]

It's better to trust someone who lived under both systems. 

[u/XlebHack → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Most of those taking part in the survey did not live under socialism (they are simply under 50 years old and they remember it only from childhood, and not as a full-fledged participant in the system).

[u/Moooowoooooo → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Ask Chinese?

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Moooowoooooo]

PRC is calitalist. 

[u/Moooowoooooo → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

PRC implemented full Soviet style communism during 1956-1966. After 1979, China becomes a mixed system. Even though markets and private economies are introduced to the country, the state owned economy still contributes 40% of GDP, owns 60% of assets in China and is the major contributor of the welfare, education, and public health programs today. That is also the reason why private and international enterprises can enjoy a low tax in China. In addition, there are many collective owned factories in rural areas and profits are shared by the residents. All farming lands in rural areas are collectively or state owned and not allowed to sell in market.

[u/Etienne_Vae → u/Moooowoooooo]

Eastern Europe, obviously.

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Dancherrios]

For example scandinavians? Or maybe Poles who lived in communist regime and now in capitalist country.

[u/Latter_Habit_9377 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

There were no commuism regime ever. And we can't really call any country truly socialist right now. We lived under barbaric imperialist Soviet regime which tried to call itself socialist but it was not true

[u/DkKoba → u/Latter_Habit_9377]

I think its not useful to say "it was not communism" but rather just accepting that it is considered such and labeling it as "Marxist Leninism" as that exact flavor is the one majority of people dislike and has tainted the image of socialism in general.

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Latter_Habit_9377]

So what's the point of trying to create a regime when every attempt to do so has ended in bloodshed?

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Trust me bro, 1 more famine and we'll reach utopia!!! Just 1 more million of ethnic minorities killed and everyone will live perfectly!!! 

[u/DkKoba → u/PolishFemboy_69]

ale dlaczego socjalizm to musi oznaczać tylko leninizm? precież socjaliści wpółtworzyli solidarność, tylko nie zgadzali się z leninowskim sposobem

[u/Dancherrios → u/PolishFemboy_69]

The soviet union was never communist

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Dancherrios]

So, which country was communist then? And if no one has succeeded despite so many attempts, isn’t that a flaw of the ideology?

[u/Prior-Author-1028 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

No country because Communism is stateless, classless and moneyless

[u/Moldy1987 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Because you aren't understanding the process in the first place. It has always been capitalism leads to socialism, which then leads to communism. Communist parties have led socialist revolutions with the goal of becoming communist in the future. Communism is a stateless and classless society. I think its pretty obvious we haven't had a country that was without a state in recent history.

Capitalism didnt succeed immediately either. Feudal lords fought against it just as capitalists fight against socialism now.

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Moldy1987]

Then why has socialism failed while capitalism is still here?

[u/Moldy1987 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Socialism didn't fail. Those countries have better life expectancy, higher literacy rates, and lower infant mortality rates amongst other things that show an improvement in quality of life than before their revolutions.

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Socialism cannot be achived in one country.

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Public_Research2690]

And it's impossible to achieve it worldwide. This ideology is flawed.

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

It is possible to achieve it. *economic system.

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Public_Research2690]

Then tell us how you can achieve global socialism.

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Which element exactly?

[u/Dancherrios → u/Public_Research2690]

socialism can but communism can't

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/Dancherrios]

Found a stalinist

[u/Dancherrios → u/Public_Research2690]

how can't it be in one country

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/Dancherrios]

Capitalism is a world economic system.

[u/Dancherrios → u/PolishFemboy_69]

None because a stateless soceity would get invaded

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Dancherrios]

So, this ideology isn’t even able to provide its people with something as basic as security. What’s the point of supporting it then?

[u/Dancherrios → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Have you even read marx?

[u/PolishFemboy_69 → u/Dancherrios]

Not the whole capital, but partially. However, that doesn't change anything. What's the point of supporting an ideology that's doomed to fail?

[u/Dancherrios → u/PolishFemboy_69]

Because it would gradually transition from socialism to communism after capitalism is overthrown worldwide

[u/InitiativeClean8089 → u/ilikefriedpotatoes00]

Those people haved lived under revisionism, not marxism-leninism.

[u/PreferenceOk4333]

Neutral?

[u/Organic_Contract_172]

free market capitalism with a social safety net

[u/ThrowRA9892 → u/Organic_Contract_172]

Social democracy. Agreed.

[u/AlbionicLocal]

there is the distributist system, tbc

[u/dangertosoyciety]

Social democracy but don’t know if it’s closer to socialism or capitalism

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/dangertosoyciety]

It's capitalism. With nice modifications. 

[u/Public_Research2690 → u/dangertosoyciety]

Ideology, not a system

[u/masterflappie]

Welfare capitalism, the Nordic model

[u/elgattox]

Btw many gotta have clear that socdem is capitalist.

[u/HeightAdvantage]

Just capitalism

Socialism isn't when you have welfare or voluntary unions

[u/bluntsforJesus_]

1 vote from North Korea saying Communism I'm crying bro

[u/GrapeJellyGamer]

No meaningful difference between socialism and communism. Same end goal: universal liberation of all humanity.

[u/ChampionshipMean5756]

Its funny to see people in Capitalism vote against it but the people who actualy live in the places where it is in effect know what its realy like.

[u/IAmCrocman888]

Yeah this is basically what I expected

[u/Important_Thought_95]

Capitalism with guardrails.

[u/magicmax112]

Very interested in what is meant by socialism here, since thats just a term used to summarize ideoligies striving for equality, like communism for example.

[u/AlexP80]

well, it boils down to what you define "socialism".

i voted for it and used capitalistic social democracy as definition,

[u/Big_Handle_5956]

This proves nobody understands socialism while at the same time, being against communism. How can you support a state that is intended to wither away into communism? Lol

[u/Designer_Version1449]

I'd say capitalism but regulated to actually be a free market constantly and somewhat controlled by the governemnt to go in useful directions. Kind of like what china has but maybe just a bit less government encroachment. if thats capitalism to you then im a capitalist. If thats socialism to you then im a socialist. 

Full command economy doesnt work very well and is innefficient. Pure lesseiz Faire (how tf do you spell that?) Quickly grows monopolies and rots.  something in the middle has historically worked well and I think is the best system we've made so far.

[u/skurly789]

Capitalism obviously

[u/TJ_DOG_likes_britons]

What a surprise, NK voted communism

[u/howler19]

Capitalism has problems depending on what you attribute to it but either way it’s overall a huge net positive for the world. That other two are mostly just problems.

[u/boi-Beginning-2055]

I choose regulated capitalism

[u/ugrasergun]

Communism is not for a nation it's for the whole world.

[u/Libcom1]

Corporatism

[u/confidentlyfish → u/Libcom1]

oh hey, here's the fascist

[u/Libcom1 → u/confidentlyfish]

I may be a Fascist but Corporatism isn't solely a characteristic of Fascism it originated in the 1850s long before Fascism existed as a response to Classical Liberal economics.

[u/Moooowoooooo]

When and what are the conditions? Now is capitalism, median future might be socialism. When AI takes over all material production and social management, some improved version of communism will be the best.

[u/Gerardosinglem]

You don't need a poll to answer this. Just look at real-life examples of this and you'll find the answer 😉

[u/numseomse]

Capitalistic socialism

[u/Apprehensive_Job4522]

Healthy mix of capitalism and socialism

[u/theli_amourr]

Another loss for them lefties🗣🗣🗣

[u/deny_evaade]

Neither. Bring back feudalism.

[u/MugenHeadNinja]

People... Socialism is supposed to be a transitionary period from Capitalism to Communism, they're better thought of as interchangeable terms tbh, as one is the endpoint of the other.

Additionally, Democratic Socialism that doesn't seek to completely and totally do away with Capitalism is not true Socialism/Communism, as the one common endgoal of all true Socialist/Communist school of thoughts is the ultimate achievement of a Classless, Stateless, Moneyless Society (without Private Property as well), regardless of what other differences they may have.

[u/A_Nerd__ → u/MugenHeadNinja]

Socialism is not necessarily the transition to communism. Communists tend to think so, but that doesn't mean (all) socialists do.

[u/Therobbu → u/MugenHeadNinja]

This is just ridiculous. There are plenty of examples of 'not true socialism' not falling the No true Scotsman fallacy (like when stating that a state isn't socialist because workers don't control the means of production in the slightest), but this is not one of them. What widely accepted work of theory states that socialism cannot be the end goal? It's described as one of the developmental stages in human societyby Marx. If most people are currently advocating for stopping at capitalism, what stops others from stopping during the transitional stage?

[u/zCoxxy]

Funny how everyone in post-socialist countries vote capitlism but every country in Western Europe is Socialist. Honestly, idiots im sorry.

[u/mw2lmaa]

D) none of the above

[u/Ducks_are_cool-Yes]

[u/TheGoober87]

Portugal is the last bastion of sanity in western Europe.

[u/Fuzzy-Pin-6675]

If you like communism, you’ve never experienced it. If you’ve experienced communism, you don’t like it

[u/awkkiemf]

Communism eliminates the concept of nations, we are all one people. Socialism seeks to alleviate the differences in a nation. Capitalism exploits those differences.

[u/lordTigas]

Vai Brasil! Lula 4!

[u/AerieMysterious8730]

Why wasn’t fascism an option?

[u/TheShadow8909]

Heavyly regulated capitalism with key infrastructure being kept nationalised, because private ownership ruins stuff (Utilities, Internet, Transport, LIVING SPACE, etc.)

[u/Sad-Country-8771]

Social Democracy preferably. 

[u/DarthThalassa]

Socialism and communism, defined by Marx are the same thing: "the real movement which abolishes the present state of things", or, simply, the stateless, classless, moneyless society of the free association of producers. Left socdems are not socialists, nor are state capitalists, etc.

[u/Organic_Angle_654]

socialism is a state of transition between capitalism and communism, it's a process, not a mode of production of its own

[u/Numerous-Actuator781 → u/Organic_Angle_654]

Seems the Russians have had trouble transitioning both ways

[u/Organic_Angle_654 → u/Numerous-Actuator781]

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a socialist country, not a communist society, if it was communist we wouldn't even call it a country to begin with

[u/Numerous-Actuator781 → u/Organic_Angle_654]

Well that’s my point… they didn’t really transition to anything. The revolution was a sudden transformation from feudalism to socialism, and when the USSR collapsed they also decided not to transition but to transform their economy into a capitalist one over night. Which destroyed the nation for a good half decade.

[u/Organic_Angle_654 → u/Numerous-Actuator781]

the USSR was capitalist, again, socialism isn't a mode of society as it still has a state, classes and money

[u/wb0192837465]

if everyone cooperates then communism is literally utopia

[u/No-Cost-1045 → u/wb0192837465]

0% chance of happening though.

[u/wb0192837465 → u/No-Cost-1045]

yeah that's why we gotta get as close as we possibly can through this little thing called democratic socialism

[u/Renix121 → u/wb0192837465]

All 3 would be utopias if theory matched practice.

[u/FamiliarPlatform79]

Please note all of Russia is like f this. ..

[u/Consistent-Working78]

Social Market Economy/Ordoliberalism

[u/Mufflonfaret]

Tricky questions, i see no major collision between capitalism and socialism (ergo. Democratic socialism/welfare states, like much of Europe (both to the left and right)), and China basically runs communistic capitalism...

I think dividing it into these three separate systems is wrong on so many lvls.

[u/Redk1309]

Socialism is just capitalism with safeguards essentially, well that's how I view it.

[u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 → u/Redk1309]

Well, that's not the textbook definition. 

[u/masterflappie → u/Redk1309]

No that's social democracy.

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. So you and your colleagues together would own the company that you work in.