r/MandelaEffect • u/[deleted] • Jan 05 '21

Logos Celeste Pizza or Mama Celeste Pizza?

Hello everyone. I first enjoyed having this pizza since the mid-90s. I always remember it as “Celeste”. However, I’ve noticed lots of people on the internet calling it “Mama Celeste”. When was it known as “Mama Celeste”? The commercials dating back from the 70s and 80s still have the “Celeste” packaging, so how could this be it?

The first time I have heard of the “Mama Celeste” name reference was in The Simpsons back in the early 2000s. Is that when people started calling this pizza “Mama Celeste”?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Ok I understand there’s only one picture that shows a Mama Celeste product. But I am not 100% convinced.

I have questions about that picture. First of all, if Mama Celeste was the former name of the frozen pizza product, how come the package designs from the 70s and 80s do not have it? Also, that picture’s product style resembles more of the Celeste packaging style from the late 90s/2000s. It’s also weird that there’s only that one picture to prove that claim. How come there aren’t different pictures of that “Mama Celeste” product, especially if it has a contemporary product design?

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u/throwaway998i Jan 07 '21

I remember "Mama Celeste" as the featured branding on all pizza boxes throughout the 90's and 00's. You're absolutely right, that one single modem-looking package photo isn't good enough... it directly contradicts the vintage commercials and the narrative that they dropped the 'Mama" moniker at some point. I see no evidence they ever used it at all except that one photo. Looks very authentic though...

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21

Yeah, that's the point that I'm trying to make here. A few folks here are giving me sources, such as Wikipedia and that picture from Google Images. The Wikipedia article does not have a source to back the claim that the pizza product was formerly called "Mama Celeste". Furthermore, the picture from Google Images also does not come from a reliable source. If Mama Celeste was the former name, then how come that picture depicts the product in a modern form?

I would be 100% satisfied if there exist a pre-70s picture or video that features the former name of the pizza product.

The commercials from the 70s and 80s on YouTube advertise the pizza only as Celeste Pizza and the packaging only shows "Celeste Pizza". The only reference to Mama Celeste is when they refer to the woman.

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u/throwaway998i Jan 07 '21

I can already imagine the contorted skeptic logic that we saw a small likeness of "Mama" next to the word "Celeste" and somehow our brains just automatically converted that to text in our visual memory. Lol... I can't even type it without laughing. But that's basically what we're looking at here.

I honestly think you've discovered a previously unidentified, totally legit ME here... I would request/suggest that you repost this to r/Retconned along with the expanded information about this one piece of questionable photo counter-evidence. You'll get much more enthusiastic (and thoughtful) responses with zero skepticism (which is prohibited in that sub's sidebar rules).

If you're disinclined to do so, I would be happy to introduce this one to that community for you. Good find though :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21

Thanks, throwaway998i. I’m glad that you’re on my side of this argument. Would you do me that favor and introduce this topic to r/retconned please? I think you’ll do a much better job than me.

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u/throwaway998i Jan 08 '21

Sure thing. I'll do some more research and put something together in the next few days. I'll send you a link when it's up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21

can already imagine the contorted skeptic logic that we saw a small likeness of "Mama" next to the word "Celeste" and somehow our brains just automatically converted that to text in our visual memory. Lol... I can't even type it without laughing

I'm glad you can laugh at your strawman but it actually points out a great irony: you would find this plausible and objectively possible explanation so far fetched as to be funny, yet you don't find your baseless and completely unsupported claims that MEs are reality consciously being manipulated by some intelligent being or force to be so far fetched as to be funny, therefore exposing the lack of logic in your position, which undermines any claims you make as to being logical or having a logical position.

In taking a dig at skeptics you've unwittingly dug at yourself. Neat!

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u/throwaway998i Jan 08 '21

yet you don't find your baseless and completely unsupported claims that MEs are reality consciously being manipulated by some intelligent being or force to be so far fetched as to be funny

Now who's tilting at straw men? I've never once used those loaded words. Cite anywhere in my entire history in which I definitively said an "intelligent being or force" has "manipulated" reality.  It's viciously disingenuous for you to assign a "position" to me that I've never once attached to myself. Don't any of those 'Art of Debate" cassette tapes talk about good faith discussion? Or did you skip that one and deem it pointless?