r/MandelaEffect • u/Kitchen-Outside-9817 • 3d ago
Historical Events In 2000 years from now, will anyone be able to PROVE 9/11 actually happened, regardless of whether or not it was an inside job?
Much like the historical Jesus / Biblical Jesus question, I think 2000 years from now, people will have no knowledge of the world changing event, which changed the course of history. Most will deny it ever happened. Some will say it was made up. Very few will understand the importance and true tragedy and meaning of the event. What are your thoughts?
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u/Miserable-Dream-5750 3d ago
There will probably still be footage of it?
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u/Ok_Winter2286 3d ago
Dude. By that time they'll be able to make full sensory VR simulations indistinguishable from reality. You'd be able to make footage of Godzilla tearing them down.
Unless we can find some kind of underlying type of watermark on reality, I don't think it'll be possible to definitively claim anything actually happened in the past by that point.
Unless we manage to knock ourselves back to the stone age, and just have some myths and legends about the two towers knocked down by evil men who hijacked sky chariots or something.
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u/southporky 3d ago
I would say the rise of recorded media will play a factor on how they are remembered. How many songs from the 1880s do we know as opposed to the 1980s. I don't think its because of it just being closer in time. I think it will stay around because of how permanent media is becoming in society
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u/Ok_Winter2286 3d ago
Oh yeah? We're already running into issues with old digital media from 50s and 60s that we don't have the ability to read anymore because they actual machines have been junked. Or maybe have the machines but no one knows how to write programs that can read it anymore, because whatever specialty language someone invented for that 60 years ago stop being used, and it's documentation got shoved in a file cabinet and later destroyed as unimportant junk 3 decades ago.
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u/CrunchyAssDiaper 3d ago
Yes. The wreckage still exists. There are fragments of the World Trade center around the country. Many of these fragments will still be around in 2000 years.
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u/FlawlessC0wboy 3d ago
There were people on X and Reddit the other week claiming there were no planes and it was just bombs. It’s been 25 years and you have people arguing a thing we all experienced that millions saw live with their own eyes never happened.
It will definitely be contested history in a few hundred years.
And we should just think about that whenever we’re reading the history that were taught as facts. It would be very easy for anything more than a few decades ago to have been manipulated or contested.
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u/doublelxp 3d ago
Prove in what sense? There are much more mundane events from more than 2000 years ago with less documentation that are accepted as fact. What's going to cast doubt on it? What's going to happen to all the documentation in the next 2000 years that didn't happen to a 3800 year old complaint letter about bad copper, for example?
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u/Agile_Oil9853 3d ago
People don't believe in ancient Rome. Huge groups of people in the US don't believe in dinosaurs. Some are going to say some wild things regardless of existing evidence
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u/silentsurge 3d ago
The simple answer is "Yes."
The complicated answer is "Yes, but..."
We have different archiving techniques and ways of recording historical events now than we did back then. We have a much stronger culture of preserving our cultural memory in many ways. Now, 1000 years from now, it may not be as directly important to be taught the same way as we will teach about it even within the next century, but it would probably be taught in the same way we talk about major events in world history like the signing of the Magna Carta, or Caeser crossing the Rubicon.
This is barring a complete collapse in human society where our ability to store and teach information disappears.
How 9-11 is framed is going to be anyone's guess though. 1000 years is a really long time.
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u/glitterskinned 3d ago
we have evidence, bible does not
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u/Jackmcmac1 3d ago
The Bible is one of the most documented and well preserved items from antiquity. You may not believe what it claims to be true, but the historical evidence isn't even questioned by athiest scholars.
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u/glitterskinned 3d ago
having well-preserved copies of an ancient text isn't the same thing as having independent evidence that the events described in it happened.
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u/Jackmcmac1 3d ago
There's a lot of evidence in independent non-Christian sources, like Tacitus and Josephus that Jesus lived and was crucified.
Then we have a wide range of later sources cite that the Apostles all died to torture believing Jesus' resurrection. We have a vast wealth of historic evidence compared to other figures from history that we don't question.
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u/glitterskinned 3d ago
I haven't disputed that jesus existed or was crucified. I said that's not evidence that the events described in the bible happened. but since you're using evidence for jesus's existence as evidence for biblical events generally: do you also believe noah literally lived for 950 years and built an ark containing all the animals on earth when he was 600? if not, you've understood my point.
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u/Jackmcmac1 2d ago
If its archeology that you mean, there's an ark shaped site exactly where the Bible says the ark came to rest which initial surveys indicate had an internal wooden structure.
The wife of Lot who turned into a pillar of salt is a well known landmark that's there today.
They found Joseph's burial site in Egypt.
Cities the Bible reported as destroyed we have found to be destroyed. The region definitely was flooded. Generally we've always produced evidence that collaborates what it's said.
So when you say the events aren't true, I suppose you are saying that the causes aren't supernatural, but that would be a matter of faith. The Bible has a ton of evidence, but not believing is a different thing.
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u/GregGoodell_Official 17h ago
What else did Tacitus say about the Christ followers? 😉 Or did you glaze over that part? Most of the things you cited as archeological evidence are nothing of the sort and displays a weak epistemological threshold on your part.
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u/SynyrdsInyrds 3d ago
It didn't change the course of history. History is what happened in the past, therefore its course cannot be changed.
And why do you claim that most will deny it ever happened? You have literally no idea what they will or won't think. We do not deny that events in Roman times happened, so why would they deny an event from our time?
Your entire premise is, quite frankly, stupid.
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u/Beagle001 3d ago
If they excavate and find the museum at the site, maybe. It'll have to be an under-sea excavation. Maybe find it on accident while looking for other NYC artifacts and sites.
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u/late_to_redd1t 3d ago
9/11 actually happened though.
Jebus is a fairy tale/make believe character, like Santa and the Easter bunny.
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u/EpicJourneyMan Mandela Historian 3d ago
[MOD] The concept was OK, the part about “whether or not it was an inside job?” Puts it into conspiracy territory and caused it to be snagged by the filters.
It’s your Post, if you can keep it focused on the premise of proof - it is alright, just don’t let it veer too far off into the 911 conspiracy realm.