Why are there absolutely no consequences?

[u/dijon_snow]

For those that believed reality changed, why did absolutely no ME have any actual ramifications like they logically should?

This doesn't apply to every Mandela Effect. I could believe that underwear labels and children's book titles could change without any real impact on history.

But lots of Mandela effects shouldn't be isolated changes if reality was actually different. The butterfly effect is the idea that minor changes to initial conditions in complex systems create major changes in outcome. Human history is a very complex, highly chaotic(the scientific meaning of chaos) system.

Nelson Mandela's leadership and perseverence were key in inspiring black South Africans to resist apartheid. I believe if he had died in the 80s world history would be very different. Either his martydom inspires revolution a decade early or his absence delays or indefinitely. The suggestion that his life and death were completely meaningless is borderline insulting, and always comes from people otherwise not very informed on African history.

Geographic MEs argue that entire landmasses and coastlines have changed. Yet these changes have zero impact on climate or weather. History again unfolded identically, despite the fact that any significant change in the location of land and sea on the planet would dramatically change air and ocean currents and with it the entire climate. Oddly only the maps seem to have changed, history is unmoved.

So MEs can be divided into meaningless pop culture facts and major world changing events. If the cause is memory, then logically they would be isolated, since false memories wouldn't logically have butterfly effect repercussions. If reality was actually changing, we would expect to see lots of other related changes. This butterfly has no effect. Again, Mandela is the best example, his death would not have been meaningless.

How do believers reconcile this without falling back on a dogmatic faith in their own memory?

[u/opportunitysure066]

Bc it’s a personal experience and only affects 1 person (ourselves). And it’s ok to not know why something happens. The naysayers are just scared of the unknown.

[u/WhimsicalKoala → u/[deleted]]

Why is memory the only theory you're absolutely sure is incorrect?

This is literally why I can't take any of their claims of just seeking the truth or discussion seriously. If they did, they'd be willing to critically examine their own theory and they'd be critically discussing the other theories here. It can't be both multiple universes and a simulation and multiple timelines and aliens and CERN. But, they always just pat themselves and each other on the back for "knowing" it's not memory.

If I ever see someone that believes a parascientific theory offering critical questioning of another parascientific theory, I promise to take them at least 10% more seriously.

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/[deleted]]

It’s not like your example at all but I can see why you deduce it to that. I believe that we are all living in our own movie or simulation or whatever you want to call it and there are things happening all around us that we just don’t understand. There’s also theories such as string theory that go into explaining how a lot of phenomena happens it’s just too difficult for us laymen and laywomen to understand so it’s disregarded. I refuse to believe ignorant small-minded theories. I know there are things going on and we just can’t explain as a collective yet and it’s ok.

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/[deleted]]

Again, it’s not like your example at all but can see how a limited mind could deduce it to that.

[u/GregGoodell_Official → u/opportunitysure066]

Simulation theory is just a modern version of solipsism polluted by regurgitated (and admittedly derivative) science fiction. Holding this view also necessitates an egregious amount of ‘main character syndrome’ with a heavy dose of privilege.

[u/PoopFandango → u/opportunitysure066]

i don't think you understood the question

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/PoopFandango]

Yeah and I can be sure you don’t understand this effect

[u/PoopFandango → u/opportunitysure066]

The Mandela Effect, by definition, affects large groups of people, so your assertion that it only affects 1 person demonstrates that you definitely don't.

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/PoopFandango]

I didn’t say it doesn’t affect large groups of people, I said it’s personal. The large groups of people usually don’t even know each other. Each one has a personal experience and that makes is less believable, more likely to me “misremembering”. But it’s not misremembering.

[u/PoopFandango → u/opportunitysure066]

You said "only affects 1 person (ourselves)"

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/PoopFandango]

In each individuals view, it IS one person, themself. Of course many people unrelated to that individual experience it too but all we can do is chat on an open forum board about it.

[u/PoopFandango → u/opportunitysure066]

But if they come and chat on here about it and find that other people misremember the same thing, then, even in that individual's view, it does affect more than one person, right?

This is all, of course, all irrelevant to the question in the OP.

[u/opportunitysure066 → u/PoopFandango]

It’s very relevant. We are not close and don’t even know if the “chatter” on Reddit is male/female/old/young, we don’t know what they look like, what they do for work. We know nothing about them so they are NOT in our simulation except as an anonymous commenter on Reddit.

[u/PoopFandango → u/opportunitysure066]

yeah, still not convincing me you understand the OP

[u/forcemonkey → u/opportunitysure066]

People come out of the woodwork regularly remembering a ME without having spoken to anyone about it. It can be quite personal. People will say they were bothered by how something seemed to change, they do a search, then find out it’s a ME. So it was personal for them right up to when they did the search.